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Since I can't get a reply from a Obamaite...

targus

New Member
KenH said:
All of the major issues.

If I didn't know better I'd think that you are avoiding answering the question.

Could you please tell me what you believe to be the major issue or issues that are equal to not putting someone who promotes abortion into a position of authority?
 

KenH

Well-Known Member
Some major issues off of the top of my head:

health care, the economy, the Iraq War, relations with Israel, relations with Russia, relations with Iran, foreign policy overall, inflation, education, abortion, homosexual marriage, etc., etc., etc.
 

dragonfly

New Member
tinytim said:
Abortion advocates will burn in Hell. You cannot support murder and be a Christian...

Sin is sin, and if a person doesn't feel guilty about sin, they are not saved.
Supporting the right to murder babies is a sin...

If a person supports murder they are not a Christian.

This country deserves all the punishment it gets from God.
We have elected murderers in office, and those that vote for these baby murderers will pay a price.

Nice rant! So not you are now the one who decides who goes to heaven?

According to your warped viewpoint, everyone in America who has or will vote for Obama or any other Democrat is automatically destined to hell since they cannot possibly be a Christian.

Boy am I glad I don't attend your church. (I know, you are glad also.)

Maybe as you grow older and gain some wisdom you will refrain from saying dumb things like the ones you have stated here.
 

KenH

Well-Known Member
You know what, dragonfly, I don't recall any directions for how to vote in a democratic form of government being given in the Bible. In fact, a lot of times decisions were made by what was in essence gambling - casting lots.

If how one votes was a going to determine one's salvation I wish the Bible had included instructions on it. You know, something like, "Thou shall not vote for a Democrat" or "Thou shalt vote for John McCain".
 
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targus

New Member
KenH said:
Some major issues off of the top of my head:

health care, the economy, the Iraq War, relations with Israel, relations with Russia, relations with Iran, foreign policy overall, inflation, education, abortion, homosexual marriage, etc., etc., etc.

Just a couple of questions...

Which of those issues even matter to the unborn after they have been aborted?

Other than abortion?

Do you provide some special status to the born over the living unborn?
 

KenH

Well-Known Member
targus said:
1) Which of those issues even matter to the unborn after they have been aborted?

2) Do you provide some special status to the born over the living unborn?

1) None.

2) No.

We look at the subject of voting differently, targus. Just accept it and move on with your life.
 

targus

New Member
KenH said:
Some major issues off of the top of my head:

health care, the economy, the Iraq War, relations with Israel, relations with Russia, relations with Iran, foreign policy overall, inflation, education, abortion, homosexual marriage, etc., etc., etc.

Now let's look at each issue individually...

Some change in the health care delivery system is equally important to you than killing an unborn child and there by depriving him of all health care other than the fatal procedure delivered by the attending doctor?

Some change in the economy is equally important to you...?

Some change in the relations with your list of foreign countries is equally important to you...?

A one percent or less change in inflation is equally important to you...?

Some change in the educational system is equally important to you...?

Homosexual marriage? You mean promoting homosexual marriage is equally important to you...?

I notice that abortion is a major issue to you. Just wondering why it is the one that you choose to compromise on.

Tell me, in voting for Obama, which other major issues are you compromising on?

I would be interested in knowing.
 

targus

New Member
KenH said:
1) None.

2) No.

We look at the subject of voting differently, targus. Just accept it and move on with your life.


It sould seem that you do afford a higher status to the born over the living unborn.

You are willing to deprive the living unborn of everything on your list in addition to life itself.

In the name of some fuzzy possible changes to a laundry list of less important things.

As to moving on... this is a debate board. Why the urge to shut me down?
 

dragonfly

New Member
targus said:
It sould seem that you do afford a higher status to the born over the living unborn.

You are willing to deprive the living unborn of everything on your list in addition to life itself.

In the name of some fuzzy possible changes to a laundry list of less important things.

As to moving on... this is a debate board. Why the urge to shut me down?

Maybe because Ken has stated his position, one I agree with. You seem to feel that if you continue to pester someone it will cause them to change how they feel.

I do not support abortion, regardless of what those here like you or TinyTim say. To act like a child, like TinyTim does and continue to rant and rave over something only shows your immaturity.
 

targus

New Member
dragonfly said:
Maybe because Ken has stated his position, one I agree with. You seem to feel that if you continue to pester someone it will cause them to change how they feel.

To ask for clarification or support for an opinion is pestering? On a debate board?

I do not support abortion, regardless of what those here like you or TinyTim say. To act like a child, like TinyTim does and continue to rant and rave over something only shows your immaturity.

Since you say that you agree could you explain what issues are more important to you and why?

Or is asking you to support your position only showing my immaturity?:saint:
 

Andy T.

Active Member
KenH said:
For wanting to continue the Iraq war and for wanting to start a war with Iran.
I already know why you think McCain is a warmonger, so you didn't need to answer that. But you failed to answer the real question, so I will repeat it for you: If McCain is a warmonger (I assume for his support of the Iraq War), then what does that make Obama who supports the war on the unborn to continue?

Do you have an answer for that? Or is your vote merely for Warmonger A over Warmonger B?
 

tinytim

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Andy T. said:
I already know why you think McCain is a warmonger, so you didn't need to answer that. But you failed to answer the real question, so I will repeat it for you: If McCain is a warmonger (I assume for his support of the Iraq War), then what does that make Obama who supports the war on the unborn to continue?

Do you have an answer for that? Or is your vote merely for Warmonger A over Warmonger B?


Can I answer? Can I answer?

Obama is .... an accomplice to murder.
 

KenH

Well-Known Member
Andy T. said:
If McCain is a warmonger (I assume for his support of the Iraq War), then what does that make Obama who supports the war on the unborn to continue?

I am opposed to Senator Obama's position on the abortion issue.
 

JustChristian

New Member
targus said:
They will only never be born because they will be murdered first.

Perhaps you could relieve your concern for those who have been born by also advocating their murder too.

Would you accept murder as a solution of the poor?

As a solution for homelessness?

As a solution for scarce energy resources?

As a solution for a lack of health care.

Just list out your concerns and then work to legalize the murder that class of people.

At least you would be consistent.


My concern is for upholding the sanctity of life. First of all, I do not nelieve in abortion. What exactly have the last three Republican presidents done to reverse the Republican dominated Supreme Court's Roe vs. Wade decision that made abortion legal in the first place? Why do Republican's believe that McCain will do anything more than Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush 2 have done?

The Republican party is clearly the party of war. Hundreds of thousands of living human beings have been killed in the Iraq war. McCain would continue it. Obama would end it. Republicans are for capital punishment. QAs we've seen recently that results many times in murdering an innocent person. In any event, it violates the principle of the sanctity of life.

Republicans never speak out against In Vitro Fertilization instead saying how nice it is that that young couple could finally have a child. This practice is exactly the same as abortion because it results in the murder of unborn embryos.
 

LeBuick

New Member
@ = Bro Curtis...

Again to make my point, look down the post in this thread. I will repeat, all I need is a stack of anti-abortion bumper stickers and I can have all these votes.

@ = OP...

I go in the booth and select Obama then open the curtain.
 

KenH

Well-Known Member
targus said:
I would be interested in knowing.

Targus, I agree with Senator Obama much more than I do Senator McCain. Disagreeing with Senator Obama on abortion doesn't override the rest to such an extent that I would vote for Senator McCain.
 

blazr6

New Member
tinytim said:
Abortion advocates will burn in Hell. You cannot support murder and be a Christian...

Sin is sin, and if a person doesn't feel guilty about sin, they are not saved.
Supporting the right to murder babies is a sin...

If a person supports murder they are not a Christian.

This country deserves all the punishment it gets from God.
We have elected murderers in office, and those that vote for these baby murderers will pay a price.
Man, I'm glad I got banned from this hypocritical board.
 
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