Sincerity

[preacher4truth]

I did not...you are a liar...

THAT I call you...

"heretic" no. (never did)

"liar" yes. You are a liar, sir, a liar.

First I'm a heretic, now a liar, also against BB rules. This is nothing but ad hominem.

You made a reply asking if I in essence disbelieved sincerity, then you quoted Scripture and then CONCLUDED that all who believe what you concluded to be my beliefs are anathema and an heretic.

Here's your quote:

Then you blatantly deny Scripture:

The Scriptures say without qualification:
Rom 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Anyone who denies this is a heretic and anathema.

 

[Skandelon]

You got personal here:

That is not being personal, brother. Saying that you vehemently opposed the texts and definitions I quoted, is just restating the facts of the matter.

vehemently - "Characterized by forcefulness of expression or intensity of emotion or conviction"

I never called you a name, said anything negative about you as a person. I quoted facts and scripture then restated the facts of your response to those posts, period. I continue to do so here.

What facts? All you did was paste verses and definitions but apparently 'later on' you meant nothing in post #8.

No, I meant to say that I agree with those verses and definitions, don't you? Why would anyone disagree with something God said?

Yes, I know. You make these novel statements skandelon, but you deny them in what you actually teach.

This is a unfounded accusation. If you can provide a quote from me that contradicts what I've said, then you'd actually have an argument.

 

[stevewm1963]

So you were saved because of your sincerity?

The ability to believe is by God's power. It is all to His glory.

The Lord looks into my heart and he can see the love i have for him and I am saved...he looks into the unbelievers heart and can see the wickedness of his heart and he is not saved! Yes when I confessed I believed with all my heart that Jesus died on the cross for my sins...that's called sincerity!

Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

What part of that scripture do you not understand?

 

[preacher4truth]

The Lord looks into my heart and he can see the love i have for him and I am saved...he looks into the unbelievers heart and can see the wickedness of his heart and he is not saved! Yes when I confessed I believed with all my heart that Jesus died on the cross for my sins...that's called sincerity!

Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

What part of that scripture do you not understand?

We only believe by the power of God. Salvation is all of God, each and every part.

 

[stevewm1963]

We only believe by the power of God. Salvation is all of God, each and every part.

According to you then the bible is a lie!

I suggest reading comprehension 101!

 

[preacher4truth]

That is not being personal, brother. Saying that you vehemently opposed the texts and definitions I quoted, is just restating the facts of the matter.

Sure it was personal.

I never called you a name, said anything negative about you as a person. I quoted facts and scripture then restated the facts of your response to those posts, period. I continue to do so here.

You didn't need to call me a name, you got your negative point across just fine. Skan, your post made pretense about me as a person as if I stalk you around, shedding a negative light on me. Let's not go that route.

No, I meant to say that I agree with those verses and definitions, don't you? Why would anyone disagree with something God said?

You should be embarrassed for accusing me of something that never happened.

I didn't disagree with Scripture.

So here is what you are saying: You quoted a verse, then defined boasting as 'personal achievement' tying it to the word 'boasts' in the passage and clarifying that definition to shed light on its meaning in the passage you quoted. I disagreed with your clear stance that boasting means 'personal achievement'. And now were in the game of saying I disbelieve Scripture which is actually personal as well, and totally unfounded.

This is a unfounded accusation. If you can provide a quote from me that contradicts what I've said, then you'd actually have an argument.

Post #8 for starters and it proves it perfectly. I'm not going to scour your posts for more evidence, what you state is well known by many.

 

[preacher4truth]

According to you then the bible is a lie!

I suggest reading comprehension 101!

So when I state salvation is 100% God and none of man, I've declared the Bible to be a lie? Hmmmm.

Look man, welcome to BB, but leave off your personal attacks.

 

[preacher4truth]

Anyone, Brother winman, who is being sincere, had already had God move them from their dead to righteousness state, to a state where they can hear the gospel being preached, being able to call out sincerely from a broken heart, "Lord save me or I perish!!" God has already broken their stony heart....

God get's all the glory. :applause:

 

[Inspector Javert]

God get's all the glory. :applause:

He doesn't falsely accuse the brethren either................as you are doing.

First me, then Skan.

 

[stevewm1963]

So when I state salvation is 100% God and none of man, I've declared the Bible to be a lie? Hmmmm.

Look man, welcome to BB, but leave off your personal attacks.

So anyone that disagrees with you is personally attacking you? If you cannot win an argument it's a personal attack?

 

[Winman]

Look, when all stand before Him, He will divide the goats from the sheep, as the Shepherd does. Goats are goats, and sheep are sheep. Nothing anyone can do can change that. Noah was appreciative of what God did for him and his family. The others went along living their lives the way the chose to. Election is unconditional, and God chose to save some, when He wasn't obligated to save one. Thinking of that makes me rejoice in that I, being a low down, rotten, snake in the grass, dirty old skunk, He chose to save me. Glory!!

Yeah, but don't you feel good you are one of those lucky snakes? All you Calvinists are the lucky snakes, each and every one of you. It just has to feel good.

Have you ever noticed that non Cals call themselves the "saved"? They are always talking about how God "saved" them. Calvinists on the other hand are always talking about being "elect". They are the "elect" and they never let you forget it.

Just something to think about.

Sin has nothing to do with salvation in Calvinism. Noah did not go to heaven because he was "perfect" in his generations, he went to heaven because he was one of the lucky "elect". He must have been a Calvinist. :laugh:

Gen 6: 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Was Noah just and perfect because he found grace in the eyes of the Lord, and so the Lord regenerated him, or did Noah find grace in the eyes of the Lord because he was just and perfect in his generations?

Learn the answer to that and you will know the truth.

 

[Inspector Javert]

So when I state salvation is 100% God and none of man, I've declared the Bible to be a lie? Hmmmm.

Look man, welcome to BB, but leave off your personal attacks.

OH....now Mr. Steve is loaded with "Personal Attack"????

How thin is your skin?......Good grief.

 

[preacher4truth]

He doesn't falsely accuse the brethren either................as you are doing.

First me, then Skan.

That's too bad. It's clear you called me a heretic, then a liar. Both are against BB rules.

 

[preacher4truth]

So anyone that disagrees with you is personally attacking you? If you cannot win an argument it's a personal attack?

So you disagree salvation is 100% of God?

By the way, I'm not trying to win an argument, I'm simply exposing the errors of anti-cal and arminian ideologies.

Leave off your insults, i.e. these: That I don't believe Scripture, that I believe the Bible is a lie, that I need to learn how to read, implying stupidity. Instead of that bring a case, not insults of character. OK?

 

[Inspector Javert]

So anyone that disagrees with you is personally attacking you? If you cannot win an argument it's a personal attack?

Yes...

His goal is to inflame you to the point of breaking some "B.B. Rule" so that he can then report you for it.....

He doesn't want to win any arguments with you or prove his point...he wants to inflame you until you break a rule so that he can report it, and get you banned or at least turn general opinion against you....

That will be his M.O.

Just wait and see:
Welcome to B.B......that's how some people work.

 

[Skandelon]

Sure it was personal.

How so?

you got your negative point across just fine. Skan, your post made pretense about me as a person as if I stalk you around, shedding a negative light on me. Let's not go that route.

I never said that you stalk me, or anything of the kind. I restated the facts of what happened. I quote the Lord and the Dictionary, then you vehemently apposed what the Lord and the dictionary said. You did it over and over for a few pages, as I didn't even give my personal view until the 3rd page of this thread.

So here is what you are saying: You quoted a verse, then defined boasting as 'personal achievement' tying it to the word 'boasts' in the passage and clarifying that definition to shed light on its meaning in the passage you quoted. I disagreed with your clear stance that boasting means 'personal achievement'.

It's not my definition, its Websters....you know, the dictionary... I just quoted it. Nothing was from ME in those posts. Just quotes.

Post #8 for starters and it proves it perfectly. I'm not going to scour your posts for more evidence, what you state is well known by many.

Post 8 is not my words, so how could I be contradicting myself if those aren't even my words? Are you trying to say that what I believe contradicts my quotes in post 8? If so, how?

 

[convicted1]

Yeah, but don't you feel good you are one of those lucky snakes? All you Calvinists are the lucky snakes, each and every one of you. It just has to feel good.

Have you ever noticed that non Cals call themselves the "saved"? They are always talking about how God "saved" them. Calvinists on the other hand are always talking about being "elect". They are the "elect" and they never let you forget it.

Just something to think about.

Sin has nothing to do with salvation in Calvinism. Noah did not go to heaven because he was "perfect" in his generations, he went to heaven because he was one of the lucky "elect". He must have been a Calvinist. :laugh:

Gen 6: 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Was Noah just and perfect because he found grace in the eyes of the Lord, and so the Lord regenerated him, or did Noah find grace in the eyes of the Lord because he was just and perfect in his generations?

Learn the answer to that and you will know the truth.

Brother, read closely what you are posting. You're posting that God really wants to save someone, but their free will ties His hands up. Do you believe it to be this way? Mankind can, and does, tie God's hands up?

 

[stevewm1963]

Let me put it another way since you say God controls our heart and we don't...if we cannot gain salvation through Jesus why did he go through all that he did? When God created man he could have MADE us love him...but no he wanted us to love him by our own free will! He does not control our hearts until we ask him to! We have control of our hearts! I don't think you'll ever get it so I'm out!

 

[preacher4truth]

It's not my definition, its Websters....you know, the dictionary I just quoted it. Nothing was from ME in those posts. Just quotes.


Post 8 is not my words, so how could I be contradicting myself if those aren't even my words? Are you trying to say that what I believe contradicts my quotes in post 8? If so, how?

Actually post 8 is your words because you posted it, including Scripture references, and this was used to clarify your stance to the OP. You used a dictionary definition to define and clarify a word (boasts) in the passage (talking of salvation/knowing the Lord) to bolster and justify your position. But now you're acting as if the entire post was benign and arbitrary.

 

[convicted1]

Let me put it another way since you say God controls our heart and we don't...if we cannot gain salvation through Jesus why did he go through all that he did? When God created man he could have MADE us love him...but no he wanted us to love him by our own free will! He does not control our hearts until we ask him to! We have control of our hearts! I don't think you'll ever get it so I'm out!

We have control of our hearts? Where'd you find that in the bible?