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Salty · Nov 2, 2014

Sapper Woody said: ↑

Aww! Well, there goes your "GI Brother" theory. Well I apologize that I misread your intent.

OK. Ignore that part of my post and take the rest.
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Probably just a mistranslation due to CMF

OldRegular · Dec 31, 2014

Tom Butler said: ↑

Permit a brief diversion.

I once read that a Fundamentalist church is one which does not permit its members to smoke, drink or chew, or go with girls that do.
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That sounds more like S/N than Tom!

T Alan · Dec 31, 2014

Sapper Woody said: ↑

I understand what you are saying when you use the word doctrine. And that may be technically correct. But when most people talk about a church's doctrine, they mean its core beliefs. For example, Salvation. Or Cal/Arm. Or eternal security.

There are other issues, most of the time given second importance to doctrine. These we call standards. Pants on women, alcohol use, and music fit into this category. KJVO can go either way, depending on the church. Some take it (wrongly, in my opinion) to be doctrine, while others consider it standard.

Thirdly, there are preferences/practices. Men wearing suit coats falls into this category. Allowing or disallowing women to wear open toed shoes on the platform does as well. As with KJVO, some preferences become standards in some churches. Such as slits in skirts, or women having to wear pantyhose. Or shorts on men.

What Salty meant (half jokingly) was that some have taken these standards and preferences and preach them as if they were doctrine. KJVO is a good example of this. "Wimmin and their blue jeans!" is another.

In the IFB world, doctrine is a dividing line that decides if we disassociate with another church. Standards can be, depending on the importance of the standard and its prevalence (contemporary music in services).

The trend is to elevate secondary things, such as pants on women, above the dividing line and use that as a reason to disassociate with a church.

Salty wasn't being negative at all. He was merely jokingly pointing this out.
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One I've never heard of or can think of as an issue. What gives with it Sapper Woody?

T Alan · Jan 1, 2015

Sapper Woody said: ↑

I understand what you are saying when you use the word doctrine. And that may be technically correct. But when most people talk about a church's doctrine, they mean its core beliefs. For example, Salvation. Or Cal/Arm. Or eternal security.

There are other issues, most of the time given second importance to doctrine. These we call standards. Pants on women, alcohol use, and music fit into this category. KJVO can go either way, depending on the church. Some take it (wrongly, in my opinion) to be doctrine, while others consider it standard.

Thirdly, there are preferences/practices. Men wearing suit coats falls into this category. Allowing or disallowing women to wear open toed shoes on the platform does as well. As with KJVO, some preferences become standards in some churches. Such as slits in skirts, or women having to wear pantyhose. Or shorts on men.

What Salty meant (half jokingly) was that some have taken these standards and preferences and preach them as if they were doctrine. KJVO is a good example of this. "Wimmin and their blue jeans!" is another.

In the IFB world, doctrine is a dividing line that decides if we disassociate with another church. Standards can be, depending on the importance of the standard and its prevalence (contemporary music in services).

The trend is to elevate secondary things, such as pants on women, above the dividing line and use that as a reason to disassociate with a church.

Salty wasn't being negative at all. He was merely jokingly pointing this out.
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T Alan said: ↑

One I've never heard of or can think of as an issue. What gives with it Sapper Woody?
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Anybody care to share the issue about open toed shoes?

Sapper Woody · Jan 1, 2015

T Alan said: ↑

Anybody care to share the issue about open toed shoes?
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Believe it or not, T Alan, I've been in churches that did not allow women to sing in the choir or special music in open toed shoes. I honestly don't know the reasoning.

Salty · Jan 2, 2015

Sminasian said: ↑

There are only 3 IFB churches in RI. Two are traditional and the other one is a 1500 member church which has turned very contemporary. They added a café and a book store. Like a Baptist mini mall. I cant stand it. The music is like a rock concert. The other two churches are the good old time IFB churches with about 200 to 350 members each.
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Some would say that church (with the mini mall) is no longer Fundamental.

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