Slain Minister's Wife Faces Murder Charges

Well, we keep getting more tidbits of information.

I just heard on the news that police have shared that she has given the reason, and that its not infidelity on his part.

Mike

 

I read this morning that the cops have ruled out infidelity as a motive. I wonder whether one of them had a drug problem?

All speculation, of course, but I'm seriously beginning to wonder whether the wife/killer is profoundly mentally ill.

 

We don't know the details...

All I know is that when I first read of it and the fact that the family was missing I thought that the wife had done it because the husband had finally put her in such an untenable position she snapped...

There are far too many christian husbands who believe they are *the* man and can do no wrong...

That God put *them* in charge and that's simply the way it is. Period.

When I speak, 'jump', you ask how high...

Yet, in Genesis woman was created as a Help-Meet, almost everyone I've read reads that as a "side by side" not "foot on head" situation...

Further, Christ has never treated the Church that way...

And, Christian Marriage is supposed to be a picture of Christ and His Church...

Funny, because His love is so evident His Commands sound more like Requests...

As a man, who is married to a woman who, after 23 years, remains head over heels for me, I find myself awed by what God has done bringing us together...

And, humbled that He would trust me to lead the Family has has granted me...

We'll know more later...

A *very* sad state of affairs...

And, I doubt there was anyone in her religious community she could go to, either.

Mike Sr.

 

I've noticed the same thing.

I was watching some program earlier where they were talking to some feminist psychobabblists about this.

They showed that picture of the whole family. The one where everyone was smiling except the youngest little girl.

From that picture you couldnt discern anything wrong with the little girl, she just wasnt smiling! Kids are that way sometimes.

Well, this babblist said something like "I notice the one little girl isnt smiling. That is obviously fear in her face. She has been enduring some kind of ritual abuse from the Dad and the Mother had to stop it as best she could.

(((WHAT???)))

Because the little kid wasnt smiling???

Now maybe something like that was going on. Maybe she caught him having an affair. Those are possibilities, but WE...DONT...KNOW yet, and we cant tell by just looking at a kids face in a picture.

Some of this stuff just amazes me.

Mike </font>[/QUOTE]I wonder what it means that in one of our family photos my youngest son is making a funny face?!!

 

Amen! How many times do we hear about a "mentally unstable" woman leaving her family and the response is always "that husband was so patient to put up with that all these years." Rather than "How did he, as the spiritual head, contribute to that, or alleve it."

 

Let's pray for the children. THEY are as much "victims" as the father.

 

Actually, I assume that he egged it on, with that sort of attitude. (Although, drugs or finances could be the problem.) Doesn't give her the right to "snap". It's still murder.

Unless he was beating her within an inch of her life, in which case it could be construed as self-defense.

 

If anyone is interested in sending money to help the children, or to send an email of condolences to the family, here is the web site:

http://www.winklerfamilyfund.com/

Lady Eagle

 

The only possible excuses would be

1. he was beating her to near death...

2. he was caught harming her children...

Lets face it guys they'll always be momma's kids...

They just get lent to us...

(Until they act up of course)

But, you don't mess with momma's kids!

At least she wasn't a member of a "Super Faith" church...

So, if he did "egg her on" she will not have been expected to "Just get Over It"...

Some of the worst abuse leaves no marks...

Mike Sr.

 

There are some things we can know for sure:

1. No one on this Board knows what happened in that house.
2. Only three people know for sure what happened, God, Pastor Winkler, and Mary Winkler.
3. The children will need a lot of love and tender care and probably financial help and perhaps counseling.
4. The murder of Pastor Winkler was no surprise to God.
5. Pastor Winkler's work on earth was finished and that is why God allowed this to happen and took him home.

Anything else is speculation and/or gossip.

 

I'm actually rather worried that there is a motive, it wasn't infidelity, and the police aren't releasing it. You would think if she had some type of mental illness that she would give a nonsensical motive and that her lawyer would want it known that she has bipolar disorder/paranoid schitzophrenia/etc. Instead everyone is mum. This makes me suspect there's something else with potential legal consequences going on.

 

There are some things we can know for sure:

1. No one on this Board knows what happened in that house.
2. Only three people know for sure what happened, God, Pastor Winkler, and Mary Winkler.
3. The children will need a lot of love and tender care and probably financial help and perhaps counseling.
4. The murder of Pastor Winkler was no surprise to God.
5. Pastor Winkler's work on earth was finished and that is why God allowed this to happen and took him home.

Anything else is speculation and/or gossip. </font>[/QUOTE]Agreed, LE. I will stay silent on this until we know the story.

 

Wow! how quick baptist males are quick to call her crazy! where are the baptist women on this board...thanks LE and Daisy for some balance.

 

Most likely he was a minister not a pastor(elder). In the Church of Christ the positions of preacher and elder(also called presbyter or elder or bishop or pastor or shepherd) are separate offices. Sometimes a preacher will also be an elder, but not usually as the elders exercise oversight over the minister.

 

It is one thing on a current events board to discuss the factual happenings, but reading through the posts, I am shocked at the amount of speculative gossip. As a woman, gossip has always been a problem in my life, but as Christians we need to steer clear of it. Let me know when real news about this tragedy comes out.

 

This is just so strange.

I heard on the news that those involved with her speak of her having "the deer in the headlights" look, being "bewildered", seeming to not "comprehend whats really going on".

They also spoke to some neighbors who know her(and the family) and where searching for something...ANYTHING...out of the ordinary that they noticed.

There was nothing....

How was she in your interaction with her?

"Very sweet. A little shy, but very nice. Very kind"

What was he like?

"Very nice. Outgoing. Very compassionate. Very caring."

Did you see anything to suggest marital problems?

"No. None whatsoever."

Were there any financial problems that you know of?

"No, none at all."

Did you ever see anything to suggest that maybe she might have psychological problems.

"Nope. Not in the least".

And a couple days ago someone was asked about anything out of the ordinary with the kids. It was the same thing...

"Not at all. Good kids. Well adjusted."

This is so bizzare.

Mike

 

Most likely he was a minister not a pastor(elder). In the Church of Christ the positions of preacher and elder(also called presbyter or elder or bishop or pastor or shepherd) are separate offices. Sometimes a preacher will also be an elder, but not usually as the elders exercise oversight over the minister. </font>[/QUOTE]The news reports are calling him "Pastor."

 

Leaving this thread open since the story is continuing to develop.

Lady Eagle

 

Very few reporters know enough about the Church of Christ to understand the difference. Pretty much only Church of Christ members or ex-Church of Christ members understand the nomenclature used in the Church of Christ even though it is Biblically based.