Slavery and Civil war.

[Earth Wind and Fire]

That I did not say. The entire affair was complex and complicated. There is no one word answer to what the war between the USA and CSA was about or not about.

But the southern states at that time was part of the USA? So what was their catalyst to separation?

 

[Reformed]

The war did not become about slavery until after the battle of Antietam.
If you care to research the event, you will see that this indeed proved that the war up to that point had not been about slavery. Lincoln almost lost his army. He had to conscript his soldiers who had fulfilled or were near finishing their terms of enlistment. The battle cry among the Union troops became "We are not fighting to free niggers."
Southern morale was equally crushed. The saying within the ranks became "rich mans war but poor mans fight.".
Neither side was fighting for or against aboliton prior to Antietam.
Lincoln actually told Davis that if he would come back into the Union prior to Jan. 1, 1863, then he would not abolish slavery.

Someone is reading too much Lew Rockwell. LOL

 

[Reynolds]

Someone is reading too much Lew Rockwell. LOL

Never heard of him.

 

[Rob_BW]

So why did you now?

Extreme boredom.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

My late father was from Kittitas and Yakima Counties in Washington State. So, when he was stationed at Lackland AAFB, in San Antonio, he was asked what side of the war his family fought on. His answer, "My folks were Westerners. We were too busy fighting Indians to worry about what was going on back East."

I base my thinking on the cause of the late Unpleasentess on what I read in Dabney's biography of T.J. "Stonewall" Jackson. Dabney explained Jackson's position on Soil Sovereignty. This position held that full US citizenship flowed from State citizenship. Dabney's example was the Kansas conflict. He held that since Kansas Territory was not a state its inhabitants could not decide whether it should be free or slave. Dabney explained that as soon as Virginia seceded Jackson no longer considered himself a US citizen. All that to say this. One of the root causes of the conflict was a divergence on the matter of citizenship. Jackson and others looked at it as a federal matter. Folks in the West and MidWest looked at it as a national matter.

 

[Reformed]

My late father was from Kittitas and Yakima Counties in Washington State. So, when he was stationed at Lackland AAFB, in San Antonio, he was asked what side of the war his family fought on. His answer, "My folks were Westerners. We were too busy fighting Indians to worry about what was going on back East."

I base my thinking on the cause of the late Unpleasentess on what I read in Dabney's biography of T.J. "Stonewall" Jackson. Dabney explained Jackson's position on Soil Sovereignty. This position held that full US citizenship flowed from State citizenship. Dabney's example was the Kansas conflict. He held that since Kansas Territory was not a state its inhabitants could not decide whether it should be free or slave. Dabney explained that as soon as Virginia seceded Jackson no longer considered himself a US citizen. All that to say this. One of the root causes of the conflict was a divergence on the matter of citizenship. Jackson and others looked at it as a federal matter. Folks in the West and MidWest looked at it as a national matter.

But Dabney was not impartial on the matter of slavery. He was pro-slavery. By arguing the matter of citizenship he effectively dodged the slavery issue.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Never thought of Dabney as being objective. I thought he laid out the position in a manner I could understand. Not agree with it just understand it,

But Dabney was not impartial on the matter of slavery. He was pro-slavery. By arguing the matter of citizenship he effectively dodged the slavery issue.

 

[robycop3]

I haven't read Dabney's Stonewall bio, but I've read several others. he had become a devout calvinistic Christian by the time the war started, While he never spoke out for or against slavery, he did say it was found in the Bible without being condemned, and he was an utter believer in states' rights. He started several classes to teach blacks, both slave & free, how to read & write, encouraging them to read the Bible soon as they became proficient in reading. And he utterly detested any mistreatment of any slave, including overwork, neglect of medical attention, inadequate food or clothes, or beating/whipping as punishment, as well as rape & other crimes against them.

But his main cause for becoming a Confederate soldier was states' rights, & when Virginia seceded, he & Lee seceded with her.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

They should of hung them both. Would have saved allot of bloodshed.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Jackson was killed by friendly fire,

 

[robycop3]

Jackson was killed by friendly fire,

Friendly Fire - ISN'T ! (Unknown US Marine)

If the enemy is within range - SO ARE YOU ! (old Soviet military training manual)

 

[37818]

Lincoln plainly stated in the letter that slavery was not the goal of the war. Slavery was merely a pawn to achieve his desired end.

The South wanted to keep slavery, and so wanted to leave the Union for that reason. So that made the war over slavery.

 

[Reynolds]

The South wanted to keep slavery, and so wanted to leave the Union for that reason. So that made the war over slavery.

The South left the U S A over states rights. Economic rights to be precise. You could legitimately list one of those rights as " expansion of slavery" but its complete dishonesty to list slavery as one of them.

For the record, Lincoln did not want to free slaves, he wanted to deport them.

 

[37818]

The South left the U S A over states rights. Economic rights to be precise. You could legitimately list one of those rights as " expansion of slavery" but its complete dishonesty to list slavery as one of them.

For the record, Lincoln did not want to free slaves, he wanted to deport them.

No. Lincoln wanted to keep the Union. But the South wanted to leave the Union over Slavery. Lincoln personally did not favor slavery. The South's reason for the war proved to be a reason all slavery had to end.

 

[37818]

" . . . I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free." -- A. Lincoln

 

[Reynolds]

No. Lincoln wanted to keep the Union. But the South wanted to leave the Union over Slavery. Lincoln personally did not favor slavery. The South's reason for the war proved to be a reason all slavery had to end.

Only problem is that is not historically correct.

 

[Reynolds]

" . . . I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free." -- A. Lincoln

Free in Africa at some point on time. He did not favor immediate or short term end of slavery. He believed the economic system of slavery would die its own natural death due to many factors such ad mechanization. He did not favor forcing abolition onto the South. You cant find an orig. pre war source that suggests he did.

 

[Reynolds]

They should of hung them both. Would have saved allot of bloodshed.

Lincoln would have loved to. His military was too inept in the first half of the war to be able to do it.

 

[Reynolds]

Jackson was killed by friendly fire,

It was the shot that lost the war for the South. Jacksons absence at Gettysburg was the direct cause of Lee's loss.

 

[37818]

Only problem is that is not historically correct.

What specificly in my statment is false?

No. Lincoln wanted to keep the Union. But the South wanted to leave the Union over Slavery. Lincoln personally did not favor slavery. The South's reason for the war proved to be a reason all slavery had to end.

Did or did not Lincoln what to, as President, to keep the Union, slavery or not?
What state in the South did not vote to leave the Union over slavery?
Was it not Lincoln's view that all men should be free?
Who according to history started the fight of the Civle War?
What in that video was false?
Present and state the fact that is false. And the one fact that can be proved that said false fact is false.