Slavery, Submission, and God's Sovreignty

>>>>>>And that God was wrong about his view on slavery?<<<<

There is no clear verdict about what God thought about slavery, at least none that does not admit of a dispute about it. I have posted on another thread about how slavery contradicts the Golden Rule. If you will show me how slavery is compatible with the Golden Rule, then and only then will I admit that God approved of Slavery. Can you state categorically that God approved of slavery?

 

>>>>And you believe that God is not the supreme authority in all situations?<<<<<<

There is no contending against the will of God. But there is substantial difficulty in determining what that is in particular situations. You may say that God authorizes slavery in the Bible. I may say that the Golden Rule clearly consigns slavery to the dustbin of history. We may not agree but both of us may fight a war for our version of the will of God.

 

God doesn't care about human concepts of class, status and caste including slavery.
some of his humble servants (that would include me ) however do....

So Mark unless you want to be pelted with rotten tomatoes, I suggest you refrain from campaigning for the reïnstatement of slavery

 

Mioque said:

"God doesn't care about human concepts of class, status and caste including slavery.
some of his humble servants (that would include me ) however do....

So Mark unless you want to be pelted with rotten tomatoes, I suggest you refrain from campaigning for the reïnstatement of slavery"


I'm not sure where you're going with the rotten tomatoes thing but...

Mark is not and has not and will not campaign for the reinstatement of slavery. The issue is about whether the Bible is the standard for all things in this case what the Bible says about slaves submitting to their masters happens to be one thing the Bible says that many have tried ever which way to say it doesn't or some have even said that even if it does say it they wouldn't do it.

Focus people, Focus....

 

I Tim. 1:9-10 is one place where Paul condemns it.
Still interested in your interpretation of "enslavers", the sin listed right after homosexuality.

I am also interested in your rationale as to why a slave should be content in brutal conditions, if need be, but that you would take up arms in defense of your freedom.

By the way, Tanker, I appreciate your great contributions. I think, though, that I come at it from a different perspective than you. I think that the Bible does condemn slavery but not in easy prooftext form (except for I Tim.) In the same manner as abortion and infanticide. There are no prooftexts to not commit infanticide. Yet the Bible is against it.

Karen

 

This is the issue of the matter. No one doubts what Paul said in the letter to Philemon but the disagreement is in the meaning and application of the letter to Philemon. I don't believe the letter condones nor condemns slavery nor does it give biblical approval for someone to own slaves. Paul doesn't address the philosphical issues of whether a person has the right to own another. Paul is addressing an issue of a person who already is a slave.

 

>>>>>>Mioque,

I am not campaigning for the reinstatement of slavery. I'm campaigning for men to acknowledge and heartily consent to what the Scripture says about slavery.

Mark Osgatharp<<<<<<<<<<

During the Civil War both sides found support in the bible for their respective attitudes about slavery, so I doubt that you will be able to convince anyone that your interpretation is correct. It is rather surprising to find that anyone presently living subscribes to such an interpretation that favors slavery as it seems to be sort of a fossil from another era.

 

Mark
"I am not campaigning for the reinstatement of slavery. I'm campaigning for men to acknowledge and heartily consent to what the Scripture says about slavery."
Mark I acknowledge and consent to what the Scripture says about slavery.
Just not not heartily.
Having said that, personally I despise slavers !
The good news for folks like me is that opposing slavery is a perfectly normal thing to do for a Christian. Because slavery leads to things God despises all the time.

KENT
"I'm not sure where you're going with the rotten tomatoes thing"
In my young and stupid period during the 1980's I participated in most of the bigger squatters riots of the era
( what can I say, except that I was an idiot with the wrong friends). One thing I did learn in those days is that I am king David's worthy heir when it comes to using the sling (in my case it was actually a catapult, I'm waxing poetic here). I can hit any target I want in a 40 meter radius round me in the middle of a frenzied skirmish.
I am (and was even in those days) basically a pacifist, so I use fruit instead of stones or lead balls.
That's where those tomatoes come in .

 

Just one question for those who advocate or condone slavery on Biblical grounds: the prooftexts cited refer also to submission to governments. Aside from the obvious points already made by other posters, what does this say about the unlawful act of rebellion against His Majesty King George III's government by the American colonies that continues to this day; never mind the CSA - all you Yankees and Dixies need to swear your allegiance to Her Majesty

So come on , you rebels, find out what life is really like with Bliar as Prime Minister!

Yours in Christ

Matt