So asking my ? again.

[percho]

SO--asking my question again: Adam had many physical sons and daughters. Which of them spiritually were created in God's image, and which were created spiritually unto the serpent?



Does the genealogy in Luke address that question,
as in Sons of God unto, the Christ?

See also what is said of Seth: And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. Gen 4:25



Why do threads get closed?

 

[DHK]

SO--asking my question again: Adam had many physical sons and daughters. Which of them spiritually were created in God's image, and which were created spiritually unto the serpent?



Does the genealogy in Luke address that question,
as in Sons of God unto, the Christ?

See also what is said of Seth: And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. Gen 4:25



Why do threads get closed?

All mankind is created in the image and glory of God. To say otherwise is to promote heresy.
Why is it wrong to murder, and from the earliest of times why did God call for the death sentence:

Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
--An attack on man was an attack on God, for man was made in the image of God.

Why are women required to wear a head covering in churches?
1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
--The man should not cover his head for he is made in the image and glory of God.

Also:
Jas 3:9 By this we bless God, even the Father. And by this we curse men, who have come into being according to the image of God. (MKJV)

 

[Don]

SO--asking my question again: Adam had many physical sons and daughters. Which of them spiritually were created in God's image, and which were created spiritually unto the serpent?



Does the genealogy in Luke address that question,
as in Sons of God unto, the Christ?

See also what is said of Seth: And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. Gen 4:25

I'd like to hear SBM's answer.

Why do threads get closed?

Typically, due to page limits. But it would be nice if a moderator actually posted a message identifying why a thread was being closed. Squire usually gives a notification, which is cool.

 

[SovereignGrace]

All mankind is created in the image and glory of God. To say otherwise is to promote heresy.
Why is it wrong to murder, and from the earliest of times why did God call for the death sentence:

Gen 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
--An attack on man was an attack on God, for man was made in the image of God.

Yes! That is why God But the Lord said to him, “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.[Gen. 4:15] If Cain was not made in the image of God, post fall, image of God marred via sin, there would have been no need of God punishing the one who killed Cain.

Also: Jas 3:9 By this we bless God, even the Father. And by this we curse men, who have come into being according to the image of God. (MKJV)

Yes, agree.

 

[DHK]

Yes! That is why God But the Lord said to him, “Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.[Gen. 4:15] If Cain was not made in the image of God, post fall, image of God marred via sin, there would have been no need of God punishing the one who killed Cain.

To throw out the out-of-context verse many of you rely on:
"God will have mercy on whom he will have mercy."
I believe God had mercy on Cain. I am a dispensationalist. The dispensation of government came after the Flood. It was entirely up to God at that time what punishment Cain would receive. He still was made in the image of God, as all men were. As you say, the image had been, and still is marred. As believers we come a bit closer, and continue to be renewed by his Spirit. We work day by day to be "conformed to his image."
Then someday we will be like him for we shall see him as he is.

 

[BrotherJoseph]

SO--asking my question again: Adam had many physical sons and daughters. Which of them spiritually were created in God's image, and which were created spiritually unto the serpent?



Does the genealogy in Luke address that question,
as in Sons of God unto, the Christ?

See also what is said of Seth: And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. Gen 4:25



Why do threads get closed?

Adam was created in the "image of God" in that his bride Eve was inside him when he was created in the same manner the bride of Christ was in Christ before the foundation of the world according to the following scripture. "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began" (2 Timothy 1:9)

Adam was not made in the image of God in that he was made a miniature-copy of God. That is not the thought at all. The record says: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. * * * So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created be them.” Right here, in the fact that in Adam God made both male and female, we see the figure of Christ. Just as the church is the bride of Christ, and was in him before the world began, so Eve was the companion of Adam, and was in Adam when he was formed from the dust of the ground, not having then any separate personality from him.

Eve was beguiled by the serpent and ate the fruit forbidden. She was deceived, the Scriptures tell us. When Adam followed Eve in the transgression, he was not deceived, he did it fully aware as to what the consequences of his sin would be. Here, again, we see Christ. When Christ came down from heaven and condescended to he made in human form to follow his bride in transgression, Christ was not deceived, but was fully aware of the suffering and death it meant for him to undergo in order to redeem his bride.

It behooved Adam to follow Eve and be with her in the transgression, otherwise Adam could not have been the figure of Christ that was to come, just so, when the church transgressed God’s holy law, the penalty devolved upon Christ, divine justice looked to him to follow his bride in condemnation so as to redeem her

The moment the church sinned, that moment Christ became responsible for her transgression. Finally, in the end of the figure, God said, “Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil.” “As one of us.” Which one of “us” had Adam become like? He had become, not like God the Father, nor yet like God the Holy Ghost, so he must have become like God the Son. He had at last fulfilled the image of Christ that was to come when he had followed Eve in the transgression and his eyes had been opened to know good and evil. It was said of Jesus that he should know to choose the good and refuse the evil. Adam had become the image of this. Thus, Adam’s being the image of Christ, or of God, begins with his being made male and female, and ends with his being with his bride in condemnation, having the knowledge of good and evil. All this it takes to make up the figure of the Christ that was to come. No other figure in all Scripture shows the vital unity of Christ and his people as does this relationship of Adam and Eve, their formation transgression and ensuing condemnation.

 

[percho]

Adam was created in the "image of God" in that his bride Eve was inside him when he was created in the same manner the bride of Christ was in Christ before the foundation of the world according to the following scripture. "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began" (2 Timothy 1:9)

Adam was not made in the image of God in that he was made a miniature-copy of God. That is not the thought at all. The record says: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. * * * So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created be them.” Right here, in the fact that in Adam God made both male and female, we see the figure of Christ. Just as the church is the bride of Christ, and was in him before the world began, so Eve was the companion of Adam, and was in Adam when he was formed from the dust of the ground, not having then any separate personality from him.

Eve was beguiled by the serpent and ate the fruit forbidden. She was deceived, the Scriptures tell us. When Adam followed Eve in the transgression, he was not deceived, he did it fully aware as to what the consequences of his sin would be. Here, again, we see Christ. When Christ came down from heaven and condescended to he made in human form to follow his bride in transgression, Christ was not deceived, but was fully aware of the suffering and death it meant for him to undergo in order to redeem his bride.

It behooved Adam to follow Eve and be with her in the transgression, otherwise Adam could not have been the figure of Christ that was to come, just so, when the church transgressed God’s holy law, the penalty devolved upon Christ, divine justice looked to him to follow his bride in condemnation so as to redeem her

The moment the church sinned, that moment Christ became responsible for her transgression. Finally, in the end of the figure, God said, “Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil.” “As one of us.” Which one of “us” had Adam become like? He had become, not like God the Father, nor yet like God the Holy Ghost, so he must have become like God the Son. He had at last fulfilled the image of Christ that was to come when he had followed Eve in the transgression and his eyes had been opened to know good and evil. It was said of Jesus that he should know to choose the good and refuse the evil. Adam had become the image of this. Thus, Adam’s being the image of Christ, or of God, begins with his being made male and female, and ends with his being with his bride in condemnation, having the knowledge of good and evil. All this it takes to make up the figure of the Christ that was to come. No other figure in all Scripture shows the vital unity of Christ and his people as does this relationship of Adam and Eve, their formation transgression and ensuing condemnation.

I believe the man Adam was created in the image of God yet I do not believe the man Adam was created in the image of the Son of God as stated of in Romans 8:29.

I believe the Son of God, born of the virgin Mary, was born in the image of the created man, Adam, died and was resurrected in an image greater than the image of the created man Adam.

I believe, to date, this verse is speaking of the only man to have been born of woman, the seed of the woman, has died and has been given by God, life from the dead. Jesus, the Christ, the Son of the living God, as stated in Matt 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

1 Cor 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

The afterward being, after the resurrection.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Starting in Genesis 5, we read of the lineage of Seth, and in Genesis 4 Eve Adam made love to his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth, saying, “God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him.”[Gen. 4:25]

Now, Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth are of the lineage of Seth, the image and likeness of Adam(marred image of God). Them and their wives were the only humans that remained after the flood. None of Cain's lineage survived. How is Cain's lineage still alive? How is his seed still here?

 

[SovereignGrace]

To throw out the out-of-context verse many of you rely on:
"God will have mercy on whom he will have mercy."

That is your opinion and you are entitled to in, mon ami.

I believe God had mercy on Cain.

Yes He did.

I am a dispensationalist.

Poor you.

The dispensation of government came after the Flood.

Please expound further what you mean here.

It was entirely up to God at that time what punishment Cain would receive. He still was made in the image of God, as all men were.

Yes.

As you say, the image had been, and still is marred.

Yes.

As believers we come a bit closer, and continue to be renewed by his Spirit. We work day by day to be "conformed to his image."

Yes.

Then someday we will be like him for we shall see him as he is.

YES!

 

[BrotherJoseph]

Starting in Genesis 5, we read of the lineage of Seth, and in Genesis 4 Eve Adam made love to his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth, saying, “God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him.”[Gen. 4:25]

Now, Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth are of the lineage of Seth, the image and likeness of Adam(marred image of God). Them and their wives were the only humans that remained after the flood. None of Cain's lineage survived. How is Cain's lineage still alive? How is his seed still here?

BrotherSovereign,

I agree Satan's seed was not literally in Cain nor are they physical descendants of Cain. I also reject the belief that Satan produced a physical seed by having relations with Eve. I believe Elder Daniel Parker mistakenly advocated both such doctrines.

Satan does have a seed which are the non-elect, but it is not in a physical seed, but only a spiritual seed. This is conveyed by Christ when he told the Pharisees, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do" (John 8:44) The doctrine of the two seeds is also seen in Genesis 3:15 when God says to the devil, "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." Christ's seed, His elect church that is His bride, unlike Satan's seed, were actually literally "in Christ" before the existence of the world per 2 Timothy 1:9, "according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,". This is why Adam was a type of Christ as his bride Eve was in him when he was created, before being manifest out of his rib, in a similar manner the bride of Christ the church was in Christ prior to the creation of the world, before the church was manifest in physical form to the world. Also, Eve, like the church, then was deceived and fell into sin, then Adam, like Christ, not being deceived, took on sin, thus they are a shadow of one another. Do you agree brother Sovereign?

God bless,

Brother Joe

 

[SovereignGrace]

BrotherSovereign,

I agree Satan's seed was not literally in Cain nor are they physical descendants of Cain. I also reject the belief that Satan produced a physical seed by having relations with Eve. I believe Elder Daniel Parker mistakenly advocated both such doctrines.

Yes. Agree.

Satan does have a seed which are the non-elect, but it is not in a physical seed, but only a spiritual seed. This is conveyed by Christ when he told the Pharisees, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do" (John 8:44) The doctrine of the two seeds is also seen in Genesis 3:15 when God says to the devil, "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." Christ's seed, His elect church that is His bride, unlike Satan's seed, were actually literally "in Christ" before the existence of the world per 2 Timothy 1:9, "according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,". This is why Adam was a type of Christ as his bride Eve was in him when he was created, before being manifest out of his rib, in a similar manner the bride of Christ the church was in Christ prior to the creation of the world, before the church was manifest in physical form to the world. Also, Eve, like the church, then was deceived and fell into sin, then Adam, like Christ, not being deceived, took on sin, thus they are a shadow of one another. Do you agree brother Sovereign?

God bless,

Brother Joe

Yes. That is not what savedbymercy has stated, however, in my opinion.

 

[BrotherJoseph]

Yes. That is not what savedbymercy has stated, however, in my opinion.

I do not believe BrotherSavedbyMercy was advocating Satan's seed were physical descendants of Cain.

SavedbyMercy clarified in the last post in the thread he created regarding Satan's seed that is was not of Cain. He said, "The Father of the serpent seed, is the serpent! Jesus told some that they were of their father the devil John 8:44 nothing about cain !" post 71 http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=100619&page=8

 

[SovereignGrace]

I do not believe BrotherSavedbyMercy was advocating Satan's seed were physical descendants of Cain.

SavedbyMercy clariefied in the last post in the thread he created regarding Satan's seed, "The Father of the serpent seed, is the serpent! Jesus told some that they were of their father the devil John 8:44 nothing about cain !" post 71 http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=100619&page=8

Yet he stated this in post #1.

Now they the serpents seed, is everyone who was not originally created in Adam, in the Image and Likeness of God Gen 1:26

If they, the serpent's seed is all not originally created Adam, then who? Seth was made in Adam's image and likeness, mon ami.[Gen.5:3]

 

[Don]

Brother Joseph - we understand that SBM was saying that Adam was created in the image of God spiritually; where he confuses and muddles the issue is by his statement "everyone who was not originally created in Adam."

SBM must clarify Adam's role here: are we spiritually children of God, or spiritually children of Adam?

 

[BrotherJoseph]

Brother Joseph - we understand that SBM was saying that Adam was created in the image of God spiritually; where he confuses and muddles the issue is by his statement "everyone who was not originally created in Adam."

SBM must clarify Adam's role here: are we spiritually children of God, or spiritually children of Adam?

Brother Don and Brother Sovereign:

I see from the quotes the issue. Hopefully BrotherSavedByMercy will answer your question.

 

[savedbymercy]

I do not believe BrotherSavedbyMercy was advocating Satan's seed were physical descendants of Cain.

SavedbyMercy clarified in the last post in the thread he created regarding Satan's seed that is was not of Cain. He said, "The Father of the serpent seed, is the serpent! Jesus told some that they were of their father the devil John 8:44 nothing about cain !" post 71 http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=100619&page=8

As I pointed out and what has been evaded, the serpent seed is from the physical descendants of Adam Gen 4:1 Cain was from Adam and Eve, but he was out of the wicked one also 1jn 3:12 !

 

[BrotherJoseph]

As I pointed out and what has been evaded, the serpent seed is from the physical descendants of Adam Gen 4:1 Cain was from Adam and Eve, but he was out of the wicked one also 1jn 3:12 !

I agree regarding the serpents seed. I would add the elect (Christ's seed) are also physical descendants of Adam. All human beings were in Adam.

 

[savedbymercy]

I agree regarding the serpents seed. I would add the elect (Christ's seed) are also physical descendants of Adam. All human beings were in Adam.

So you believe that the serpent seed was originally in Adam made in the Image and Likeness of God Gen 1:26 ?

 

[BrotherJoseph]

So you believe that the serpent seed was originally in Adam made in the Image and Likeness of God Gen 1:26 ?

Both the serpent's seed and the seed of Christ were in Adam.

 

[BrotherJoseph]

So you believe that the serpent seed was originally in Adam made in the Image and Likeness of God Gen 1:26 ?

Adam was the one who was made in the likeness of God because he had his bride Eve in him in his ribs as Christ had his bride the church in Christ prior to their being born into this world. "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them"