37818
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That is a nonsense question. Jesus is the man in your question to become a man.
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So Jesus is not fully God?
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37818
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So then why the distinction between Him being a man and God if God is a man? 1 Timothy 2:5 and in the future 1 Corinthians 15:28.
canadyjd
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Why don’t you plainly state what you believe?
Is Jesus fully God and fully man? That is what I believe. See, plainly stated.
Did the second person of the Godhead take on humanity forever in the incarnation? I believe He did. He did not “change” into a man. He remains fully God. He remains fully human. That is what I believe plainly stated.
Are you capable of stating plainly what you believe?
Or, perhaps more important, what is the purpose of this thread? What are you trying to accomplish?
peace to you
RighteousnessTemperance&
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It’s even more than that. Jesus was not born a changeless man. He was raised bodily from the dead. A real problem for us is that perfected human nature is unknown, so too the resurrection body. We cannot even really imagine them.
canadyjd
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That is a great point. Jesus’s human body has been transformed into a resurrected (as Paul stated: Spiritual) body.
peace to you
37818
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I have plainly stated what I believe. Here again for the record, I believe God is not a man. I believe God is three distinct Persons who are the one and the same God. God is the self Existent one, which is the meaning of His Name. I believe the eternal Word was and is always the Son. That the Son is now and forever both fully God and full immortal Man. And before His death and resurrection was always fully God and had become a fully a mortal man.
1689Dave
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THE SYMBOL OF CHALCEDON
The Symbol of Chalcedon, adopted at the fourth and fifth sessions of the Fourth Ecumenical Council, dates back to 451 A.D.. Philip Schaff, in his Creeds of Christendom, writes of the Symbol (or Creed) of Chalcedon, “While the first Council of Nicaea had established the eternal, pre-existent Godhead of Christ, the Symbol of the Fourth Ecumenical Council relates to the incarnate Logos, as he walked upon earth and sits on the right hand of the Father. It is directed against the errors of Nestorius and Eutyches, who agreed with the Nicene Creed as opposed to Arianism, but put the Godhead of Christ in a false relation to his humanity.”3
We, then, following the holy Fathers, all with one consent, teach men to confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, the same perfect in Godhead and also perfect in manhood; truly God and truly man, of a reasonable [rational] soul and body; consubstantial [coessential] with us according to the manhood; in all things like unto us, without sin; begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead, and in these latter days, for us and for our salvation, born of the Virgin Mary, the mother of God, according to the Manhood; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only-begotten, to be acknowledged in two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved, and concurring in one person and one Subsistence, not parted or divided into two persons, but one and the same Son, and only begotten, God the Word, the Lord Jesus Christ, as the prophets from the beginning [have declared] concerning him, and the Lord Jesus Christ himself has taught us, and the Creed of the holy Fathers has handed down to us.
Historic Creeds and Confessions. (1997). (electronic ed.). Oak Harbor: Lexham Press.
God assuming on Humanity was not Him changing His attributes and nature of being Deity!
So Oneness or Modualist for you?
Not inspired, what does the Bible state?
Are you denying that God could became a man?
37818
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Is not a Baptist statement of faith. Typically Catholic creeds contain errors.
he seems to be closing in on Oneness doctrine!
37818
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Yes, God the Father did not change to become a man. His Son did. His Son did not change from being fully God.
1689Dave
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All of Christendom adheres to the Ecumenical Creeds. The Catholics had not become the Antichrist until later. The odd thing is, most churches, including Baptists, include Catholic doctrines in their Creeds. The Reformation came about when the Catholics departed from the creeds and Calvin and Luther held them accountable. We spot heretics according to those who reject the early creeds.
Are not the Father and the Son both equally Yahweh though?
NO, heresy rejects the inspired scriptures, as NO Creed nor Confession was inspired by God!
Did his Son change or did the Word change?
Out, of Spirit, did the following take place in a virgin woman named Mary?
Egg cell
The egg cell, or ovum, is the female reproductive cell, or gamete, in most anisogamous organisms. The term is used when the female gamete is not capable of movement. If the male gamete is capable of movement, the type of sexual reproduction is also classified as oogamous. When egg and sperm fuse during fertilisation, a diploid cell is formed, which rapidly grows into a new organism.Wikipedia
Is that how Jesus of Nazareth came into the world as a baby? Is that how the Word became flesh?
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RighteousnessTemperance&
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The Virgin Birth is a profound event. The Eastern Orthodox use the term Theotokos—God-bearer. Mary became the Mother of Incarnate God.
Do you deny the deity of Jesus at or prior to his earthly birth? What does the Bible say?
canadyjd
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Your question to start the thread:
“So Jesus is not fully God?”
What is the purpose of this thread? What point are you making? What are you trying to accomplish?
peace to you
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