So much in just four words, "Do not touch Me"?

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Now I really do have a second $1000 I'll bank electronically this day to Ed Sutton - or any other human being for that matter - if he can show in "Jn. 20:11-17", or within "the time of the encounter with Mary early on that ... morning", Jesus' "resurrection ".

For just seconds before, Mary leant over and looked into the grave and saw ... two angels. Then turning around, seeing Jesus for the gardener, asked Him". Meanwhile - actually, long before, John and Peter had seen the linen of the deceased folded in the tomb. But He rose, within "the time of the encounter with Mary early on that ... morning"? The 'Langauge Cop' promoted Investigator Herlock Sholmes!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Brother Bob:
"God has that atonement now and in order for anyone to receive it, they must believe. For future generations to be able to receive that atonement, the Father must have it,"

GE:
Exactly! Thank you, Brother Bob! Thank You!!!
The Father has it!!! Where, when, and how, did He get it, is our present question, am I right? Then here is your answer: Read Hebrews 5:5 (just one of many Scriptures), "Christ glorified!" How, when, and where, and by Whom, 'glorified'? Read: "He - the Father - that saith unto Him, Thou art my Son, TODAY, have I begotten Thee."

Which is that, "Today"? The very same 'Today' of chapter 4, "Today, If You hear My Voice" - the 'Today' when Christ, in Person, in the flesh, in fact in death and from death, heard the Voice of the Father, who called Him from the dead: ON, Resurrection-Day -- that is which 'Today'. Therefore, it is Christ Glorified in, with and through Resurrection from the dead. Here is the 'Today' of verse 5!! And in and through and with Christ Glorified, the Father 'got' that Atonement Finished, Perfected, and since then as before through faith by grace the saved are redeemed by that Atonement Jesus perfected in his being raised from the dead.

(To some this is nauseous; to me it is Life and Joy in the Lord. For me, this is reason to feast, eating and drinking of Christ, Sabbath's Feast; and I think that, actually, is why to some this is nauseous.)

 

[EdSutton]

What have I, benefited from this dialectic?
That Christ cannot to his Church give of which He, not from His Father received— His Father— who now through Christ Jesus whom He resurrected from the dead— is become our Farther too; That's Jn20:17.
That Christ first had to have entered in into his own rest as God in his own— that He first had to have entered in into the presence and glory of the Father, and to have received from Him for Himself “the coronet of glory and the royal robe”;
That then Christ could give to his ‘Church’ as well, ‘gifts’ of which of all are supreme and comprehensive, the forgiveness of sins and everlasting life;
That Christ through the offering of his Life won and exhibited the redemption towards which the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit in Oneness in the Temple of the Father’s Glory worked— the Holiest of God resurrected in the flesh of the body of Jesus Christ from the dead incorruptible and glorious. Here's the point of difference between you and me. 'Heaven', or where the Father was when He resurrected Christ from the dead, was THERE, at the Dead, Whom He resurrected! That was, IN the grave, ON earth, IN the body of Jesus Resurrected. This is what you people do not get: That Jesus was "raised in the Glory of the Father - in His Presence, in the grave, WHEN He resurrected Him. THIS, was NOT, Jesus' ascension! THIS, was NOT, Jesus' INTERCESSION! Get it?!


Where do I find that which I have so benefited, in the Scriptures?
Where John 20:17 is become the fulfilment of Jesus’ Prayer of Consecration to the Father, John 17, and the fulfilment of His prophetic Baptism, “Upon Whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, the Same, is He Who baptises with the Holy Spirit!” Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the faith in Whom through Jesus Christ, is what, from this conversation, I have benefited.

I thank you both, Ed Sutton, and Bob Ryan. The peace of God be with you, through our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.

Peace to you, as well. I do not disagree with the gist of what you are attempting to present, in this particular post, FTR.

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

And I apologise, Ed Sutoon, that it made you nauseous. And those who loved your nauseousness, I'm sorry.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

Ed Sutton:
"The resurrected Lord Jesus Christ apparently ascended to the Father to make His presentation, as the His Great High Priest, (Heb. 4:1-10:25) between the time of the encounter with Mary early on that resurrection morning, (Jn. 20:11-17) and only shortly later that same morning, when the women did, in fact, 'touch Him', in that they actually "held Him by the feet". (Matt. 28:9) Read the passages to see that Mary Magdalene was one who then "held Him by the feet, and worshipped Him"."

GE
You are wrong. The resurrected Lord Jesus Christ had made His presentation, as the Father raised Him from the dead. Eph1:19f et al! Your Scripture, Heb. 4:1-10:25, virtually the whole of Hebrews, proclaim Jesus' resurrection and His making atonement through sacrifice and resurrection - throughout. If you cannot find Jesus' resurrection in Hebrews, you must be spiritually blind, for just about every metaphor the writer uses, he means Jesus' resurrection with, e.g., He being 'perfected', 'appointed', anopinted' entering into His Rest. I say without fear of contradiction almost every metaphor he uses. And I have a host of Christianity's greatest saints to confirm. You may get nauseous of it, so many.

Well, I've been wrong before, and surely will be again, if the Lord allows me even one more day on this earth. Gotta' run, for my nephew just called for me.

Ed