So Pelagius was a Heretic

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GE

Yes they did; and some - many - don't realise if they share their beliefs they actually share their faith with Roman Catholicism. Few Protestants know the central issue of the Reformation was free-will versus bondage of the will, or, righteousness by works versus righteousness by faith.

Grace and Peace,

I'm willing to compare and contrast Arminius with Pelagius as well as compare and contrast Arminianism with Calvinism as long as we can be civil. Interested?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Grace and Peace,

I'm willing to compare and contrast Arminius with Pelagius as well as compare and contrast Arminianism with Calvinism as long as we can be civil. Interested?

GE

Always! Unfortunately one has just so much time and no more. I am preparing my book, High Priest of the Most High God for publication - have worked on it since 2002, and to myself it seems the worst piece of work I have produced yet, then suddenly again of huge value. Maybe it's the format - or form - being based on my conversations on this Board with BobRyan. I only feel it of utmost importance for maybe only one honest soul I wouldn't know where, because it's point of departure is God's Eternal Covenant of Grace, and therefore, utterly anti-Arminianistic.

 

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GE

Always! Unfortunately one has just so much time and no more. I am preparing my book, High Priest of the Most High God for publication - have worked on it since 2002, and to myself it seems the worst piece of work I have produced yet, then suddenly again of huge value. Maybe it's the format - or form - being based on my conversations on this Board with BobRyan. I only feel it of utmost importance for maybe only one honest soul I wouldn't know where, because it's point of departure is God's Eternal Covenant of Grace, and therefore, utterly anti-Arminianistic.

"God's Eternal Covenant of Grace... utterly anti-Arminianistic." I find that hard to believe when the material principle of classical Arminian thought is prevenient grace and thus 'all' of salvation is wholly and entirely of God's grace... Are you familiar with the Remonstrance... in particular:

3.) That man could not obtain saving faith of himself or by the strength of his own free will, but stood in need of God's grace through Christ to be renewed in thought and wil (John 15:5). ~paraphrase in english of the Latin by A. W. Harrison

Be Well.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

"God's Eternal Covenant of Grace... utterly anti-Arminianistic." I find that hard to believe when the material principle of classical Arminian thought is prevenient grace and thus 'all' of salvation is wholly and entirely of God's grace... Are you familiar with the Remonstrance... in particular:

3.) That man could not obtain saving faith of himself or by the strength of his own free will, but stood in need of God's grace through Christ to be renewed in thought and wil (John 15:5). ~paraphrase in english of the Latin by A. W. Harrison

Be Well.

GE

I don't think the whole 'prevenient grace-thought' is expressed in your quote. I don't speak 'from the book' but would assume something follows on this statement in the line of :Then man stands like the first Adam with a free will with which to decide to obey or to disobey, to believe or not to believe. (as Karl Barth illustrated, "like Herculus at the crossroads".

 

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GE

I don't think the whole 'prevenient grace-thought' is expressed in your quote. I don't speak 'from the book' but would assume something follows on this statement in the line of :Then man stands like the first Adam with a free will with which to decide to obey or to disobey, to believe or not to believe. (as Karl Barth illustrated, "like Herculus at the crossroads".

Do you honestly believe the only difference between our current human condition and Adam is Free-Will? Perhaps I've allowing myself to be biased by the influence of Perfectionism but I would suggest that it's going to take a bit more than prevenient grace to restore what has been lost since the Fall.

BTW, if you where actually interested in knowing part 4 of the Remonstrance, it states:

4.) That this grace was the cause of the beginning, progress and completion of man's salvation; insomuch that none could believe nor presevere in faith without this co-operating grace, and consequently that all good works must be ascribed to the grace of God in Christ. As to the manner of the operation of that grace, however, it is not irresistable (Acts 7:51). ~ again taken from A. W. Harrison

 

[EdSutton]

Thread title/question:

So Pelagius was a Heretic??

Answer: No, only a semi-Heretic. :smilewinkgrin: :laugh: :laugh:

Ed

 

[Rippon]

If one thinks that Pelagius was only a semi-heretic -- what about the status of semi-pelagians ? Are they guilty of only minute heterodoxy ?