Social Control Through Fear

[hillclimber1]

Liberals and conservatives have the same agenda - one world govt and both use fear tactics such as Bush's War and claim that if we don't fight foreign wars then Iran will invade New York City.

Bologna. Only the liberals desire to manage mankind. True conservatives seek a world in which man can manage with limited government, and pursue his life as he sees fit.

The war on terror is about Americas future, which is bleak, given our current political climate.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

Well, the OP is insisting that all liberals "instill fear in the citizens of this country" in order to "promote their socalist agenda". One's about as valid as the other.

There were some pretty specific examples given.

 

[Daisy]

There were some pretty specific examples given.

Which specific examples of liberals instilling fear to promote socialism are applicable to all liberals everywhere?

 

[poncho]

Bologna. Only the liberals desire to manage mankind. True conservatives seek a world in which man can manage with limited government, and pursue his life as he sees fit.

The war on terror is about Americas future, which is bleak, given our current political climate.

What passes for conservatism today is nothing more than an overwhelming desire to control everything up to and including independent thought.

The war on terror is in itself a tool of that control, control of other's resources and control over domestic dissent to the greed and corruption that drives it.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

Which specific examples of liberals instilling fear to promote socialism are applicable to all liberals everywhere?

Read the op

 

[Filmproducer]

Read the op

Right.... And again how does that apply to ALL liberals everywhere? Global warming is about as specific as the Iraq War. There doesn't seem to be much of a nationwide conservative stance on that does there? At least this supposed "fear" mongering does not involve the death of American soldiers, not to mention those Iraqui civilians who are considered "collateral damage", i.e., unintended consequences of war.

 

[Filmproducer]

Oh, and could sombody please explain how global warming is a natural promoter of socialism? Something of substance, not the Al Gore supports it yada yada yada...

 

[777]

Fearmongering? On the part of man-made global warming advocates?

NO WAY! Take the "moderate" Ted Turner, for example:

There's not much middle ground for Ted Turner when it comes to the future of energy in the United States.

"What we need is a moratorium on all new coal plants, on all new carbon-producing energy power technologies, and work on replacing them with renewable alternatives," the billionaire founder of CNN said Wednesday.

Turner also called for urgent action to address global climate change, which he referred to as the "single greatest challenge that humanity has ever faced."

"The biggest danger is we won't do enough soon enough," he said.

It's the biggest danger ever ever ever, Ted's just pointing that out.

Al Gore, the high priest of the movement:

Emerging economies such as China are justified in holding back on fighting greenhouse gas emissions until richer polluters like the United States do more to solve the problem, former Vice President Al Gore said Wednesday.

The world's top climate scientists warned in a report last week that global warming was very likely caused by humanity and would last for centuries.

Chinese officials said they would act after industrial countries such as the United States and others make changes themselves, Gore said, addressing a conference in Madrid on global warming.

"They're right in saying that. But we have to act quickly," said Gore...

Want to give me an example of a conservative that agrees with either of those fearmongerers?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Oh, and could sombody please explain how global warming is a natural promoter of socialism? Something of substance, not the Al Gore supports it yada yada yada...

I see government take over of transportation, for one. And I believe if you think really hard, you'll be able to see it also.

 

[Filmproducer]

That is not socialism...Neither is it "socialist" by default because conservatives do not support it. Talk about fear mongering and buying into the hype. Global warming in the political sense is an argument over whether climate changes, specifically a warming trend, are natural or man made; it has absolutely nothing in common with socialism. The political views of supporters cannot in and of itself make it socialist. It is just another hot button issue that can be used to sidetrack the masses. The conservatives/republicans pull out the old socialism/communist fear card, and the liberal/democrats use the end of the world argument. In reality there is evidence that human activity has caused the earth to warm, but to what extent? Certainly not enough to cause the imminent demise of the earth, then again more than enough to deny that human activity does in fact play a role.

 

[carpro]

Right.... And again how does that apply to ALL liberals everywhere?

Who said anything applied to ALL liberals everywhere?

 

[carpro]

Well, the OP is insisting that all liberals "instill fear in the citizens of this country" in order to "promote their socalist agenda".

The OP said no such thing.

 

[Filmproducer]

Who said anything applied to ALL liberals everywhere?

2 Tim in post #25, but I will conceed that maybe he did not mean ALL.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

That is not socialism...

Govenrment control of transportation isn't socialism, or socialist ?

 

[carpro]

2 Tim in post #25, but I will conceed that maybe he did not mean ALL.

But, like Daisy, you saw fit to add the word "all". You even capitalized it.

Why?

 

[Filmproducer]

Because the question was posed and it was not refuted. There was no other reason, and I have ceded that he may not have meant all.

 

[Filmproducer]

Govenrment control of transportation isn't socialism, or socialist ?

What do you consider control of transportation? Forcing industries to conform to some uniform standard is not socialism. Is there some secret distribution of wealth occurring? Is there really some conspiracy attempt to nationalize the transportaion industry, or any other industry affected by environmental legislation? What exactly is your definition of socialism, for that matter? Even in capitalist societies industries are subject to some regulations. It is highly impractical to think any society could thrive and strive on pure capitalist ideology alone. About as impractical as a pure socialist society.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

What do you consider control of transportation? Forcing industries to conform to some uniform standard is not socialism. Is there some secret distribution of wealth occurring? Is there really some conspiracy attempt to nationalize the transportaion industry, or any other industry affected by environmental legislation? What exactly is your definition of socialism, for that matter? Even in capitalist societies industries are subject to some regulations. It is highly impractical to think any society could thrive and strive on pure capitalist ideology alone. About as impractical as a pure socialist society.

Yeah, I'd say gov't control of people's movements is socialism. Or leading to it. I'm not going to debate that.