Socialism Is Bad for the Environment

[GoodTidings]

What socialist countries are you talking about? I thought wed were finished with that dead-end discussion but go ahead.

North Korea and Venezuela for example. Those are Democratic Socialist countries. The kind of Socialism that Bernie says he wants for the US.

Yeah, I guess when your examples of Democratic Socialist countries turned out not to be Democratic Socialist countries, I guess you wanted to move on...

 

[GoodTidings]

My experience with Medicare is very good. It should be improved on and offered to everyone.

Medicare for all will be, "Medicare for 3 months." It would completely bankrupt Medicare and besides, "Medicare for all" is a really just "single-payer" or the next step to it. And that is the last thing we need. Medicare for all would lead to rationing health care dollars. It would mean that once you spent your share, you're done. Even if you are not healed.

It would mean waiting in line for months or even years as your health issue advances and gets worse and worse and gets more and more expensive to treat. It would mean no private insurance and thus no freedom of choice. It would put the government in charge of your health care.

But worst of all, if the government controls your health care, they control your life. And that means that they can force your compliance to anything they want by simply having the option of cutting off your meds any time they need in order to keep you in line.

If they are willing to murder a baby on the day of its birth through abortion, there is NOTHING they would not do to you. If you are older, you are more of liability in a socialist system because older people have more expensive health problems. If they have no moral compunction about aborting a baby in the birth canal, they will have not problem getting ride of older people who they see as a drag on the system.

 

[GoodTidings]

You really don't know what you're talking about. Did you know anyone with a pre-existing condition back then?They went into a state high risk pool which was extremely expensive (if they could get insurance at all. My brother was in that situation.

Like I said before, there were other options being put forth as an alternative to Obamacare that would deal with pre-existing conditions in a better and more effective way without wealth redistribution and without taking away anyone's healthcare. But Obama would not entertain any other options, would not explore anything else. He wanted a socialist system of health care that amounted to wealth redistribution and government control over health care. And what we got was one-size-fits-all system that took away freedom of choice. We got a socialist system that forced elderly people to pay for pre-natal care and stuff they didn't need.

 

[FollowTheWay]

North Korea and Venezuela for example. Those are Democratic Socialist countries. The kind of Socialism that Bernie says he wants for the US.

Yeah, I guess when your examples of Democratic Socialist countries turned out not to be Democratic Socialist countries, I guess you wanted to move on...

I'm not interested in these countries. When have I said I was?

 

[FollowTheWay]

Medicare for all will be, "Medicare for 3 months." It would completely bankrupt Medicare and besides, "Medicare for all" is a really just "single-payer" or the next step to it. And that is the last thing we need. Medicare for all would lead to rationing health care dollars. It would mean that once you spent your share, you're done. Even if you are not healed.

It would mean waiting in line for months or even years as your health issue advances and gets worse and worse and gets more and more expensive to treat. It would mean no private insurance and thus no freedom of choice. It would put the government in charge of your health care.

But worst of all, if the government controls your health care, they control your life. And that means that they can force your compliance to anything they want by simply having the option of cutting off your meds any time they need in order to keep you in line.

If they are willing to murder a baby on the day of its birth through abortion, there is NOTHING they would not do to you. If you are older, you are more of liability in a socialist system because older people have more expensive health problems. If they have no moral compunction about aborting a baby in the birth canal, they will have not problem getting ride of older people who they see as a drag on the system.

Ridiculous. If you are willing to murder the poor by taking away food, shelter, and a job you would do anything.

 

[GoodTidings]

I'm not interested in these countries. When have I said I was?

You held up the UK and Denmark as Democratic Socialist countries. Now that your claim was debunked suddenly, you don't want to talk about Socialist countries because the countries that are actually socialist, are some of the worst places to live in the world and don't fit the Liberal narratives about the glories of Socialism.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Like I said before, there were other options being put forth as an alternative to Obamacare that would deal with pre-existing conditions in a better and more effective way without wealth redistribution and without taking away anyone's healthcare. But Obama would not entertain any other options, would not explore anything else. He wanted a socialist system of health care that amounted to wealth redistribution and government control over health care. And what we got was one-size-fits-all system that took away freedom of choice. We got a socialist system that forced elderly people to pay for pre-natal care and stuff they didn't need.

The Republicans did not offer any options nor did they participate in the debate. All they wanted to do was block everything Obama tried to do.

 

[FollowTheWay]

You held up the UK and Denmark as Democratic Socialist countries. Now that your claim was debunked suddenly, you don't want to talk about Socialist countries because the countries that are actually socialist, are some of the worst places to live in the world and don't fit the Liberal narratives about the glories of Socialism.

I'll pass on this ridiculous thread this time.

 

[GoodTidings]

Ridiculous. If you are willing to murder the poor by taking away food, shelter, and a job you would do anything.

But in socialist countries, like Venezuela and North Korea that is what they are doing. But here in America there are more jobs than there are people to work them. There are millions of good paying jobs with no one to fill them. So how can we be taking away jobs and food and shelter when the means of having those things exist in abundance, right now?

 

[GoodTidings]

The Republicans did not offer any options nor did they participate in the debate. All they wanted to do was block everything Obama tried to do.

Yes they did offer alternatives, but Obama and the Democrats refused to entertain or discuss them. That's why there was no debate. Obama had the majority in both houses of Congress so he didn't need to debate. He simply pushed it through on the Democrats alone and so now the Democrats own its failure.

 

[InTheLight]

?? There you go again. I said "the bankruptcies of tens of thousands of people due to a medical emergency."

Are you aware you posted:

The U.S. system is going broke.

You.
Posted.
That.

 

[InTheLight]

My experience with Medicare is very good. It should be improved on and offered to everyone.

Medicare should be offered to everyone?

Or do you really mean, "get rid of all private health insurance and make Medicare mandatory for all "?

 

[FollowTheWay]

But in socialist countries, like Venezuela and North Korea that is what they are doing. But here in America there are more jobs than there are people to work them. There are millions of good paying jobs with no one to fill them. So how can we be taking away jobs and food and shelter when the means of having those things exist in abundance, right now?

Those are COMMUNIST countries but you don't know the difference do you?

 

[FollowTheWay]

Medicare should be offered to everyone?

Or do you really mean, "get rid of all private health insurance and make Medicare mandatory for all "?

Single payer.

 

[Revmitchell]

You really don't know what you're talking about. Did you know anyone with a pre-existing condition back then?They went into a state high risk pool which was extremely expensive (if they could get insurance at all. My brother was in that situation.

Just stop. Good grief

 

[Revmitchell]

Single payer.

UnAmerican and against freedom

 

[GoodTidings]

Those are COMMUNIST countries but you don't know the difference do you?

No, they are not Venezuela is Democratic Socialist. For years, Bernie Sanders held up Venezuela as proof that socialism works. But with 10 years of Maduro, Venezuela is living proof that Socialism doesn't work.

So is North Korea. That's why it is called DPRK, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It is not a Communist nation at all. It is a Democratic Socialist nation. You need to study up more on this.

The line between Communism and Socialism is a very thin line, but Karl Marx believed that socialism was just the stepping stone toward Communism. The only reason to become a socialist nation is because you are on a path toward Communism. People like Bernie Sanders and other Liberals who want Socialism in the US are taking us toward a Communism. It is why Liberalism must be opposed and put down. Liberals must NEVER be allowed to run the US as they prefer an anti-American, anti-Constitutional system of governance that would destroy America as we know it. Liberalism is a poisonous contagion that needs to be rejected by all true Americans. Socialism/Communism/Fascism are infiltrating our schools and churches under the cloak of Liberalism.

 

[GoodTidings]

Single payer.

Single Payer is unAmerican, anti-Freedom and there is no way that we American-loving patriots are going to let the enemies of freedom implement that horrendous system of slavery.

 

[InTheLight]

Single payer.

Sure, single payer. By necessity that means eliminating all private health insurance companies. It's inevitable.

 

[GoodTidings]

Sure, single payer. By necessity that means eliminating all private health insurance companies. It's inevitable.

It would destroy health care in the US. Single payer won't work in a country of 350 million people. It doesn't work in other smaller countries, either.