Socialized Medicine Director Dies Waiting for Operation

[Bro. Curtis]

In all fairness, if I'm not mistaken, Curtis is a cancer survivor. In my opinion, that gives him a little more credibility when speaking on such things.

Why yes I am. My least cancer treatment was in early 1987. My last screening was negative. Thank you, very much. I feel bad for people who get my disease under team zero's watch.

 

[Matt Black]

The anti-NHS posters here are missing the elephant in the drawing-room here: there was nothing to have stopped the woman concerned from having private health insurance to pay for the operation just as you do in the US or indeed to pay for the op herself if she had the money (which she probably did if she was an ex-exec director of a PCT); furthermore, she could have turned up at the ER unnannounced and they would have been obliged to operate (subject to the usual triaging).

So I'm not sure what the story is here apart from the usual Daily Wail scaremongering; I'm surprised the article didn't bang on about how Essex house prices would tumble as a result of this or how a host of illegal immigrants had the operation first, which is typical Daily Heil fayre...

 

[Crabtownboy]

Crabtownlittleboy, you're confusing two things. You're confusing with an insurance company not paying for a procedure with a government making the procedure unavailable.

Not really. Either way the person is deceased.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Not really. Either way the person is deceased.

Crabtownlittleboy, whether he's dead or not is irrelevant. You're still confusing two different things.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Crabtownlittleboy, whether he's dead or not is irrelevant. You're still confusing two different things.

In my first post I was pointing out that neither system is perfect. I did this as it seemed that some posters were happy the woman had died, especially as she was an official in the state health system.

 

[sag38]

So, why would we want to replace our current system with another system that does not work? As such I prefer to keep my current insurance with its imperfections and ask the government to leave me alone. The last thing we need is more government intrusion into our lives.

 

[Crabtownboy]

So, why would we want to replace our current system with another system that does not work? As such I prefer to keep my current insurance with its imperfections and ask the government to leave me alone. The last thing we need is more government intrusion into our lives.

Would you feel the same if you had no insurance?

Oh, and proposed health care system is not a government takeover. That has been a successful misrepresentation of the truth. The magazine, Christian Ethics Today had an interesting short article on this topic in their Winter 2011 issue. Part of it reads:

PolitiFact.com, which won a Pulitzer last year for its investigative fact-checking of political claims, announced this month that the year's top lie was the accusation that the health care reform passed earlier this year amounted to "a government takeover of health care."

"The phrase is simply not true, "explained PolitiFact, a nonpartisan fact-checking organization."PolitiFact reporters have studied the 906-page bill and interviewed independent health care experts. We have concluded it is inaccurate to call the plan a government takeover because it relies largely on the existing system of health coverage provided by employers."

"It's true that the law does significantly increase government regulation of health insurers," added PolitiFact. "But it is, at its heart, a system that relies on private companies and the free market."

PolitiFact's announcement noted that many other fact-checkers have also pointed out that the” government takeover" claim was incorrect. PolitiFact credited conservative political consultant Frank Luntz for pushing Republicans to repeatedly invoke the phrase. Luntz believed the phrase would spark greater opposition to the proposed health care reform.

http://christianethicstoday.com/CETART/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.main&ArtID=1478

 

[Matt Black]

So, why would we want to replace our current system with another system that does not work? As such I prefer to keep my current insurance with its imperfections and ask the government to leave me alone. The last thing we need is more government intrusion into our lives.

You're perfectly able to keep you medical insurance in the UK.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

You're perfectly able to keep you medical insurance in the UK.

Unfortunately, we're not in the UK and we're not going to be allowed to keep ours.

 

[Matt Black]

I have to say that does seem bizarre; whatever happened to that renowned Amreican free market capitalism?

 

[sag38]

Exactly Matt. Where is the free market capitalism? Crabby and his ethics magazine can twist the truth all it wants but this mandate forced on the US will lead to a government run health care system.

Crabby, for those who don't have health insurance then maybe there is something the government can do for them if they so desire. As for me and my house the government can keep it's big nose out of our business.

 

[billwald]

Say there is a car wreck. If there is no insurance on the car it is towed to a wrecking yard by whomever has jurisdiction and sold for the tow bill. If the people don't have medical bills they are left on the side of the road for the crows - free market capitalism.

Or how about free market OT capitalism? The ambulance is owned by the private hospital. The injured person sells himself into slavery (indentured servant) to the hospital for the next 2 years to pay for his treatment.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Say there is a car wreck. If there is no insurance on the car it is towed to a wrecking yard by whomever has jurisdiction and sold for the tow bill. If the people don't have medical bills they are left on the side of the road for the crows - free market capitalism.

Then the police and the local fire department are sued for millions for neglecting their legal obligation to treat the victims.

Or how about free market OT capitalism? The ambulance is owned by the private hospital. The injured person sells himself into slavery (indentured servant) to the hospital for the next 2 years to pay for his treatment.

Would that really be so bad? "I don't have insurance, but I'll sweep floors for a few hours a week for a couple of years if you'll do so and so"?

What would be wrong with allowing the poor to work off part of their debt?

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I have to say that does seem bizarre; whatever happened to that renowned Amreican free market capitalism?

It died during the 1930s.

FDR essentially killed free market capitalism. It's been mostly just academic since then.

 

[Alcott]

Oh, and proposed health care system is not a government takeover.

If Congress passed a law saying every person must attend church, but it leaves the churches to operate as they have been for 2 centuries, would you call that a "government takeover of religion?"

 

[sag38]

Very good question Alcott. I look forward to Comrade Crabby's answer.

 

[rbell]

Oh, and proposed health care system is not a government takeover.

What a monumentally stupid statement.

 

[Robert Snow]

In all fairness, if I'm not mistaken, Curtis is a cancer survivor. In my opinion, that gives him a little more credibility when speaking on such things.

My wife is also a cancer survivor, does that count?

 

[Robert Snow]

Progressives don't have compassion. Progressives believe that the poor should be warehoused in massive government burueacracies and their poverty subsidized.

I guess I missed that class in Progressive Behavior 101. You should not speak as though you know what is in the minds of everyone else!

 

[Arbo]

Oh, and proposed health care system is not a government takeover.

Don't be fooled. When this is fully implemented, a government takeover is exactly what it will be.