Sojourners Pleads: Keep Russell Moore

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Sorry that is pure spin. There is much more to it than that.

Can you provide detail?

 

[McCree79]

I view Moore as a voice of reason within the Baptist community. Sorry to hear that he is under such fire at the SBC.

Agreed. Moore is a tremendous leader and needs to stay where he is.

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[McCree79]

What you do not understand young man/woman is that Evangelicals voted for Trump because they felt like he would look out for their interests not because he was a fine specimen of a Christian. You are arguing against an idea no one is proposing and supporting. It's called a "strawman". Don't assume you know why evangelicals voted for Trump, the possibilities are not as limited as you would like them to be.

Most Evangeliscals I know voted for Trump as a way of voting agaisnt Hillary. As you said, they didnt vote for him for his christian morals...or even claim he had them.

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[FollowTheWay]

Just because you fail to see something does not make it true. I fail to see how a Christian could even consider supporting one Democrat candidate for any type of leadership position without immediately being driven to his or her knees in repentance for their support of policies that can only be termed "anti-Christ". But you know what? Just because I fail to see it does not make it true. There are plenty of Christians who are Democrats. How? I have absolutely no idea. But I do not have the right to say that every believer who voted for Clinton chose the DNC over Christ, I don't even know their understanding of the issues, the party, or the platform they support. You went to far, brother. That is what I am saying. I am not denying that you bring up some points that may warrant consideration. But you went too far and I really do not see how you can't see that.

Insofar as my vote, I will tell you. I voted for the GOP platform. We can argue that we should vote for the man and not the platform until the cows come home (I never understood that expression). We can argue that my understanding or view of that platform is wrong. But the fact remains that my vote for Trump was not "choosing the Republican Party over Christ", although for you to vote that way it may be.

You're correct in saying that I am not the judge. I'll leave that up to the Lord. But in living my life I have to make choices based on my level of spiritual discernment. You chose to vote for a candidate that in my view in exactly the opposite of a Christian. So be it.

 

[FollowTheWay]

None of this is true

Of course I believe that you're blinded by an absolute allegiance to the republican Party. Therefore, you're statement has no value.

 

[JonC]

You're correct in saying that I am not the judge. I'll leave that up to the Lord. But in living my life I have to make choices based on my level of spiritual discernment. You chose to vote for a candidate that in my view in exactly the opposite of a Christian. So be it.

And that is a fair statement. Others have expressed the opinion that refraining to support the party best positioned to defeat the DNC is opposite of Christian responsibility. And I both understand and reject that view as well.

Bottom line is we all have opinions.

 

[FollowTheWay]

What you do not understand young man/woman is that Evangelicals voted for Trump because they felt like he would look out for their interests not because he was a fine specimen of a Christian. You are arguing against an idea no one is proposing and supporting. It's called a "strawman". Don't assume you know why evangelicals voted for Trump, the possibilities are not as limited as you would like them to be.

[Mat 4:8-10 KJV] 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Jesus resisted the offer of dominion over all the world given to Him by Satan. "Evangelical Christians" in this election did not.

 

[StefanM]

Of course I believe that you're blinded by an absolute allegiance to the republican Party. Therefore, you're statement has no value.

Absolute allegiance forever!

 

[Revmitchell]

Of course I believe that you're blinded by an absolute allegiance to the republican Party. Therefore, you're statement has no value.

No value to you. Not really concerned about that.

 

[Revmitchell]

[Mat 4:8-10 KJV] 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Jesus resisted the offer of dominion over all the world given to Him by Satan. "Evangelical Christians" in this election did not.

If I thought you had the ability to coherently support this weird statement I would ask you to. But..............

 

[Jerome]

Liberal website Salon joins the '#EverMoore' bandwagon:

http://www.salon.com/2017/03/13/sil...aptists-post-because-of-his-anti-trump-stance

he has steadily become a beloved leader among younger evangelicals, who may not be as receptive to conservative politics. Moore is also very popular among evangelicals of color, who have welcomed his promotion of racial justice

 

[FollowTheWay]

Absolute allegiance forever!

My allegiance is to the Lord Jesus Christ forever. Anything else is not really important to me.

 

[Revmitchell]

[Mat 4:8-10 KJV] 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Jesus resisted the offer of dominion over all the world given to Him by Satan. "Evangelical Christians" in this election did not.

Well, I do not think it was wise. I voted for the Constitution party candidate. I did not vote for Trump. I do however, support most of his agenda with the exception of this health care debacle. I hope it turns out better than I think it will.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Sorry that is pure spin. There is much more to it than that.

I will agree that there is "much more than that" since it is a long and complicated story. But what I wrote is not "pure spin." I was denominationally involved and very well connected on the "conservative" side when the Convention established the Religious Liberty Commission (now the "Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission") in 1988 and finally defunded the Baptist Joint Committee on Public Affairs (now "Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty") in 1991. The reasons for doing so that that SBC "resurgence" leaders thought the BJCPA was too liberal and did not line up with the Reagan conservativism that had swept the Convention. The SBC leadership wanted a "conservative" voice in Washington to fight the culture wars instead of an agency that was solely focused on religious liberty for everyone. They also did not like former Director James Dunn's associations with people on the left. The reality is that Dunn had plenty of friends and associations on both the left and the right since his focus was on religious liberty. I personally knew James, so I had the inside story from his perspective as well.

Since the founding of the Religions Liberty Commission/ERLC, the "conservative" side has always been the Republican Party and the Republican candidate. The ERLC has almost always supported a vast majority of Republican initiatives and few, if any, Democratic initiatives.

Therefore, my comments are dead on.

 

[FollowTheWay]

I hardly ever agree with Moore. That said there is way to much emotion over moore and it is not deserved.

Why should we care?

 

[Jerome]

Washington-based magazine The Atlantic opines:

"During his nearly four years in his position with the ERLC, Moore has focused on racial reconciliation....This may be why some in the SBC are pushing back, said Thabiti Anyabwile, a black pastor who leads the Anacostia River Church in Washington, D.C. 'Things are motivated by either a desire to quiet conversations around race in the Convention, or are motivated in some places by a kind of racial animus in opposition to the positions Dr. Moore has taken.'"

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/03/russell-moore-southern-baptist-convention/519540/