Some questions for anti-calvinists #3

If two people agree 100% only one of them is thinking for himself. </font>[/QUOTE]LOL, I like that.

 

Amen!

No, the application of the blood was the result of their faith that God would "pass over" their homes.

What you are talking about is known as "facultas se applicandi ad gratiam." Which means "the ability to apply grace to oneself." It is a heresy condemned long long ago. </font>[/QUOTE]Well its still alive and well today with some men teaching that to chose is to be part of salvation. I do agree it is heresy!

 

Hi Cassidy;

Wow something we agree on what wonders will never cease.
Even though Diane said exactly the same thing you seem to lack the graciousness to accept it.
Diane wasn't suggesting that the atonement was to man but for man.
I wonder do you actually read a post before you respond? If so how is that you could miss this;

This lady explained that her own explanation isn't always clear. So where's your argument? is it really over a type "O"?

May Christ Shine His light On Us all;
Mike

 

You know the answer to this question. Though I am not non-Calvinist, I can answer this question.

The atonement applies to everyone, but is effective only to those who accept its value in their lives.

This was question #2, what was #1?

Bro. Dallas

 

Exactly. The pleasure of this life is their desire.
Bro. Dallas

 

GOD so Loved that HE GAVE...

God "Tasted the sufferings of death for EVERYONE of mankind" Heb 2:9

GOD was IN CHRIST reconciling the WORLD TO Himself. 2Cor 5.

God did not pay Himself by torturing HIMSELF until HE felt better about it.

(I think Calvinists miss that point when they talk about limited atonement).

Having said that - IF Calvinists were using the Lev 16 concept of the "process of atonement" when they said "limited atonement" INSTEAD of the "atoning Sacrifice" the "SIN offering" for ALL mankind -- then I would agree with them.

And I think a lot of Arminians would agree that atonement "Applied" as in sins forgiven sinner "At-one" with God -- does not happen for the lost.

In Christ,

Bob

 

God established the "you sin you die" penalty. Only God the son was worthy and able, for among men he was the only one "without blemish", to Pay that penalty for all the rest of mankind! Jesus' death on the cross was not simply a gift to man, it was the payment of the penalty of sin FOR all mankind.

The reason for the atonement is that NO man could have everlasting life, because other than Jesus no man could live a sinless life.

Now that ALL sin has been atoned, man can have everlasting life through faith in God the Son, even on his name! Even those before Christ had the same opportunity because Jesus went to them where they were, preached His gospel to them, and those who believed were set free from the penalty of sin.

This was not a difficult question!

Now, who was the sacrifice offered to? The father! It was the father that established the "You sin You die" penalty, so in offering his only son as the sacrifice for sin, God offered Himself to be the sacrifice for Sin To God!

Who was it offered for? NNE!

What was it offered for? To pay the penalty of sin...All the sin of the world.

The result? Man no longer dies because of sin! ONLY because of LACK OF FAITH!

 

Is lack of Faith a sin?

Bro. Dallas

 

No! both having faith and lacking faith are conditions of the human spirit regarding God.

One cannot do "faith" or "lack of faith!" One can do deeds of Sin and the same one can do works of righteousness!

It is the condition of the human spirit from which the actions (sins or righteous works) of the one are spawned. A human spirit with faith in God, causes the one to do those things that are pleasing to God. Remember, Jesus told us that it is the spirit that is the life of the flesh, the flesh is of no value. Jesus was speaking of the human spirit, not the Holy Spirit in this instance.

The spirit condition of "lack of faith", allows one to do those sinful things that do not please God, and this condition of human spirit is not acceptable to God for salvation of the human!

 

Let's reconsider the above statement, then if possible, maybe more of your previous post.

Now, in speaking of this topic, Paul says:

And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

a debtor to Free Grace,
Bro. Dallas

 

Let's reconsider the above statement, then if possible, maybe more of your previous post.

Now, in speaking of this topic, Paul says:

And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

a debtor to Free Grace,
Bro. Dallas </font>[/QUOTE]Paul is saying that If you have faith in God, you can eat everything without harm. Remember, the old testament declares many restrictions regarding foods that are both prohibited and allowed foods. Paul's audience knew of those prohibitions, so Paul is telling them that if your spirit is one of faith in God, your food choices are not of concern. However if you lack faith in God, your spirit is going to do the things of the natural man, and what is it the natural man does? HE SINS!

Doubt is perhaps the chiefest sign of lack of faith!

 

I understand your statement. Still, the scripture says whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

And Heb. 11:6 states that '...without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.'

Who are they who come to God?

Bro. Dallas

 

Hi Bro Dallas;

The ones that are drawn. No one can come to Him unless they are drawn. Which is why we all are drawn because, it is His will that all be drawn.
Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike

 

Dear Brother Mike,
As you probably know, I disagree with your interpretation of John 12:32.

The first point I would argue against that is that God's grace is irresistable, therefore, were all men drawn unto him, then all men would ultimately be saved in the conception we hold of salvation, being the blessed hope of eternal life through Christ.

In the end, all men will be drawn unto Christ through the resurrection. 1 Cor. 15.20-22.

All men shall bow the knee and confess with the tongue, still not all men will be drawn with that everlasting love of God for his people. [Jer. 31.3].

debtor to Free Grace
Bro. Dallas

 

Whosoever believeth in Him!

 

How do you fight someone's testimony?
If I told you that I accepted Christ, what really happened?
Sorry, I'm kinda jumping into the middle of this!

 

I think I should probably start another thread relating to this discussion.

Do you agree that those coming to God (the whosoever) do not come to God without previously having faith, believing that he is God and that he rewards them that diligently seek him?

Heb. 11.6

debtor to Free Grace,
Bro. Dallas

 

It is human nature to be drawn, For example, if there is a loud explosion, everyone who heard it is "drawn" to the event. Whether or not they actually leave the place where they heard the sound to venture to the place of the explosion, they were in fact "drawn", their attention diverted in the direction of. Generally, all species do the same thing.

The difference here is that One was lifted up from the earth. Now two thousand years later, there is probably no one who does not know about it or will not hear about it during his/her lifetime.

That does not mean that all become believers, because there are always scoffers no matter what the event. There are always those who do not grasp the gravity of an event. There are always those who though seeing, do not believe. Test that for yourself, see if it is not true.

The fact that virtually everyone knows the name Jesus, does not mean they have faith in that name!

 

How can you say that God's grace is irresistable?

Men resist God's grace (to their own detriment) all the time! So your belief that God's grace is irresistable simply don't hold water.