Some Questions For KJVO Folks

[Baptist4life]

......we Freedom Readers deal in FACT, not SPECULATION, SKEWED OPINION, AND GUESSWORK.

LOLOLOL!! All you gotta do is go read roby's "SPECULATION, SKEWED OPINION, AND GUESSWORK" posts in the theology forums on where Cain's wife came from, and you'll see his statement above is a totally false!!

 

[Logos1560]

You have already been proven wrong here, but you persist in error. The scriptures themselves show both a copy and a translation are scripture.

Acts 8:26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.
27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

The Ethiopian eunuch was reading Isaiah, but he was not reading the original autographs, he was reading a copy in Greek, yet the scriptures themselves call the text he was reading "scripture". Not only this, but he was convicted and persuaded by this Greek scripture to believe on Jesus as his Saviour.

So, this view that only the original autographs are scripture and carry the power of God is refuted by the scriptures themselves.

Your claims are incorrect. You clearly misrepresent and distort the views of believers who disagree with your man-made KJV-only theory. It is not claimed that only the original autographs are scripture. What is asserted in agreement with the KJV translators is that the preserved original language words given by inspiration of God to the prophets and apostles are the proper standard and authority for the making and trying of all translations. Copies of the original language Scriptures are still scripture although any errors introduced by the copiers are not scripture and do not have authority as scripture according to what the Scriptures themselves teach. Translations of the Scriptures are scripture with proper derived authority but any errors made by translators or printers do not have authority as Scripture.

You did not prove from the Scriptures that the Ethiopian eunuch was reading a Greek translation. You are trying to read something into the text that is not there. The Scriptures do not say that the Ethiopian eunuch was reading Greek.

Those verses (Deut. 4:2, Deut. 12:32, Prov. 30:6, Rev. 22:18-19) that warn against adding to and taking away from the Scriptures would clearly and directly relate to the doctrine of preservation and to the making of copies of the original language Scriptures. Concerning which specific words did God directly state these warnings and instructions? These commands must embrace the Scriptures in the original languages since the very nature of translation requires that words may have to be added or omitted to make it understandable in another language. Thus, these verses were important instructions and warnings given particularly concerning the Scriptures in the original languages. Again it should be obvious that these commands had to be directed concerning the Scriptures in the original languages since it is well-known that in translating words have to be added or omitted for the translation in the other language to make sense. These verses could also be understood to suggest that God gave to men an important role or responsibility in preservation. These commands or instructions would indicate the need and responsibility for the making of exact, accurate copies of the Scriptures in the original languages. These commands also demonstrate that the source being copied was the standard and authority for evaluating the copy made from it. These commands also reveal that the copies were not given by a miracle of inspiration. For a king or whoever copied them to be able to “keep all the words,“ they would have needed to make an accurate, exact, and complete copy of them (Deut. 17:18-19).


In addition, a logical deduction from these verses (Deut. 4:2, Deut. 12:32, Prov. 30:6, Rev. 22:18-19) would affirm that copies would need to be carefully examined, tried, or evaluated to make sure that no additions were made, that nothing was omitted, and that no words were changed. These verses could be understood to indicate that whatever adds to, takes away, or diminishes (whether intentional or unintentional) would not be the word of God. Any error introduced by a copier, printer, or whomever in copies should be corrected. Just as the source definitely had to be the correct standard, proper authority, and just measure or balance for evaluating the copy so the words in the original language sources would have to be the proper standard and authority for evaluating the different words in a translation made from them (Rom. 11:18, Prov. 16:11, Job 14:4, Deut. 25:13-15, Lev. 19:35-36, Ezek. 45:10, Matt. 7:17, Prov. 11:1, Micah 6:11). The use of any unrighteous divers weights, divers measures, unjust balances, untrue judgments, or double standards in evaluating or trying copies would be wrong according to the Scriptures (Prov. 16:11, 10:10, 11:1, 20:23, Deut. 25:13-15, Ezek. 45:10, Lev. 19:35-36, Amos 8:5). That the preserved and accurate copies of the Scriptures in the original languages should be the proper standard, measure, and authority for trying or evaluating translations of the Scriptures would be a valid implication or deduction drawn from what several verses of Scripture indicate.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

At least you are a good liar.

If you going to make this claim about a fellow Believer in a public forum, you need to provide more than just one sentence. Warning: do not make this an integrity issue for yourself.

A warning, nothing more.

Regards,
BiR

 

[Baptist4life]

If you going to make this claim about a fellow Believer in a public forum, you need to provide more than just one sentence. Warning: do not make this an integrity issue for yourself.

A warning, nothing more.

Regards,
BiR

As I posted earlier, all you need do is go to the theology forums, look at the thread "Cain's Wife" http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=86784 and you will see that roby's claim of:

......we Freedom Readers deal in FACT, not SPECULATION, SKEWED OPINION, AND GUESSWORK.

.....is completely false. What he himself posts there is nothing but "SPECULATION, SKEWED OPINION, AND GUESSWORK"! Pot meet kettle, roby.

 

[robycop3]

LOLOLOL!! All you gotta do is go read roby's "SPECULATION, SKEWED OPINION, AND GUESSWORK" posts in the theology forums on where Cain's wife came from, and you'll see his statement above is a totally false!!

B4L, you said you were done with that subject. You've shown us all just how TRUTHFUL you are.(NOT)

Besides that, you know full well I used SCRIPTURE to make my point.

Now, Sportzz fanzz, may we end this derailment and return the train to its trax?

 

[robycop3]

At least you are a good liar.

Can U PROVE I am?

OF COURSE NOT!

The man-made origin of KJVO has been posted in this forum, and not one KJVO has been able to say a truthful word against it.

 

[Winman]

Now you fellas play nice, you remind me of these ladies;

 

[preachinjesus]

“Jesus Christ is not the Bible and vice versa.”
THIS.... is one of the scariest things I've read on this forum.....
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (John 1:1)
and
“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14)

etc. etc.

I'm happy to take this elsewhere since this thread has devolved into something disrespectful...but...

Are you saying that Jesus is the Bible and the Bible is Jesus?

That Jesus being the Logos is equivalent to the Bible being the Logos?

 

[Baptist4life]

B4L, you said you were done with that subject. You've shown us all just how TRUTHFUL you are.(NOT)

Besides that, you know full well I used SCRIPTURE to make my point.

Now, Sportzz fanzz, may we end this derailment and return the train to its trax?

What I'm talking about is the MIS-statement you made that:

....we Freedom Readers deal in FACT, not SPECULATION, SKEWED OPINION, AND GUESSWORK.

...........you DO NOT........Your posts in the other thread are PURE speculation! You said so yourself! You, sir, are being dishonest. You SPECULATED and GUESSED where you believe Cain's wife came from, NOW, you make the claim above that you deal in FACT! You are, sir, and continue to be, a hypocrite! Thank you for making it so blatantly obvious to all.

 

[Dr. Bob]

And the degenerate of an already controversial thread continues no more.