Some Reluctant to Participate in Day Without Immigrants Boycott

At this point, it is still more of a civil regulation than a criminal law. I'm not sure why it bothers you so much. Some people want to turn it into a criminal matter - as if our prisons were not overburdened already.

Do any of you all know what our per capita incarceration rate is and how it compares to other first world countries?

Enabling them to labor honestly and with dignity to feed and clothe their children and parents seems more loving and charitable than giving them food, etc.

I wouldn't throw stones if I were you...

Why does it bother you so much? Why do you care if people from the wrong side of a political border cross it at great risk for a chance better life for themselves or their children? If they're caught, we send them back. Why is that not punishment enough?

 

He's been legal now for nearly 20 years, but at the time of our wedding...well, that's how he got legal.

He's still a nice guy who has been here for more than half his life.

Does this color your view of us?

 

It is a sad fact that the invitation "send me your poor, hungry... etc" is no longer practical. At some point a nation has to care for its own over those from other nations.

It seems 50% of illegal immigrants come to the UK and the rest go the USA. I have even met Muslims who openly admitted to faking documents to get VISAs for the UK just to get a foot in the door in the US.

The picture is the same in the UK as in the US. We get so many immigrants from all over the world that our national health and educational systems are becoming unsustainable.

It would be great if there was a way that richer developed nations could lift the rest of the world to their standard of living, but it isn't possible by the route illegal immigrants are taking.

All illegal immigrants will do is destroy the productive nations and make them like the places they were trying to escape.

We also need to note the difference between controlled immigration/asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. One we should help, the others should be sent packing.

 

Ohhh...it's not REALLY a law. My bad.

Daisy, my mother was critically injured years ago by an illegal alien. He ran a stop sign and hit her. He had no license or insurance. He was never arrested, deported, or prosecuted. He WAS ticketed, but of course, he disappeared, and nothing was done.

My parents paid thousands in medical bills because of that guy. My mother is still in pain years later.

THAT'S one reason I care.

 

How do you know he was an illegal alien?

 

He admitted it to the officer...he was here from Mexico and had no ID, no papers, no green card, etc.

At the time, Alabama state troopers could not detain them based solely on their legal status. Now they can, but I think in most states, that is not the case.

 

You've got to be kidding!

1. They broke the law by sneaking over our borders.
2. They broke the law when they got their fake green cards and fake Social Security numbers - probably a felony.
3. They brake the law by getting paid under the table, because we are required to file Federal Income Tax and in most states, State Income Tax returns.
4. They break local zoning laws by holing up by the dozens in one and two-family homes and apartments.
5. They break most state laws when they don't carry automobile insurance.
6. They break the law when they are driving in states without a legal driver's license.

And that's just a few of the local, state, and federal laws they are breaking BESIDES sneaking over our borders.

And it is anarchy. They are criminals when they are in the streets DEMANDING rights by intimidation to employers and lawmakers and the average American citizen who is abiding by the Rule of Law - which has just disintegrated today before our very eyes. Would you be so sympathetic if it were mobs wearing white hoods demanding rights?

 

Why not?

We do have an illegal immigration problem.

Wonder of wonders... in the US we can have a "don't ask, don't tell policy" concerning a soldier who is violating his oath to obey UCMJ... but we can't have a "don't ask, don't tell" policy toward those who in desparation have come to our country, worked hard, and now are terrified that they'll be deported. Why not give a grace period in which we legalize those who come in with proof of legitimate employment? If there are 11 million illegals in the US... we don't have the resources to deport them.

This silly protest will have very little effect other than what the media spins it into. However, if we could magically whisk away all the illegals, the effects on our economy would be staggering.

Like it or not, many of these immigrants have the drive that used to characterize American workers before liberals convinced them that employment is a right and not a privilege. They work harder... and often for less money than American workers at the same skill level... and that's assuming those American workers won't turn their nose up at the job any way. I speak from personal experience.

I employed a large number of Mexicans through a temp agency at my previous employer. They cost $2 less per hour than black or white American temps... and literally did twice the work with a fraction of the errors or attitude.

Yes they lived in densities that are greater than our "standard" allows. They shared, supported each other,... and either saved the money they saved on housing or sent it to support their families back home.

Good grief! I respect people who are self-sacrificing... I don't resent them. I respect people who work hard... I don't resent them.

Yes laws are important. But the "law" has abandoned the spirit of our founders and certainly the spirit of the quote from the Statue of Liberty.

We don't have an "its own". We are a nation of curs and mutts... immigrants from all over the world. As the guy on Stripes said, we've been kicked out of every decent country in the world.

The law needs to be fixed. The immigration laws and enforcement need to be fixed. I think the most effective thing that could be done on illegal immigration is to make employing or assisting illegals a felony. If business owners start going to jail, demand for illegal labor will dry up.

At the same time, we need these folks and they need jobs. We should streamline the procedures for introducing them to the labor force legally.

That's quite a compliment, don't you think? However, a Swiss gentleman I met complained loudly about their illegal immigration problem as well.

That's kinda scary.

That is a direct evidence that libertarian, free market economics are superior to socialism/statism/welfare state.

I actually disagree with that as well. I know of several Mexican immigrants who came here with the very specific goal of making money and learning skills so they could go home after a few years and start businesses, buy ranches/farms, etc.

Mexican labor has been a great boost to many American businesses and has probably mitigated some of the losses we would have had to China, India, and developing Asia.

 

Amen. Not only greed, but breaking the law. Did you pay payroll taxes or did these temps have withholding taken from their wages?

 

Is insurance required for driving in Alabama yet?

The guy runs a stop sign, causes a critical personal injury and probably considerable $$ of damage to your parents' car, he has no id, no driver's license and no insurance - and the trooper just takes his word for where he lives? In most states, driving without a license would get a guy arrested, especially if he caused an accident. Alabama was mighty lax.

So one guy who might have been an illegal alien - hey, it got him off the hook - did you wrong and you hold a grudge against them all? Ok, so for you it's personal.

 

Hey, in Tennessee, I see them all the time, crammed into little cars or pickup trucks, more passengers than legal, no seat belts, babies being held on laps and not restrained in car seats. Cops turn a blind eye. They know their hands are tied because lawmakers don't give a hoot. So, they don't either.

 

Is insurance required for driving in Alabama yet?

The guy runs a stop sign, causes a critical personal injury and probably considerable $$ of damage to your parents' car, he has no id, no driver's license and no insurance - and the trooper just takes his word for where he lives? In most states, driving without a license would get a guy arrested, especially if he caused an accident. Alabama was mighty lax.

So one guy who might have been an illegal alien - hey, it got him off the hook - did you wrong and you hold a grudge against them all? Ok, so for you it's personal. </font>[/QUOTE]Actually, in many states, no license does NOT get you arrested, but instead a citation. You can't drive away...but this guy didn't. His friends came and got him.

Personal? Nope. I've forgiven that man. But how many times does this (or something close to it) happen every day in the USA?

Daisy, I don't get your viewpoint on this. I simply think that our laws should be enforced. It's illegal to enter our country outside proper channels. It's illegal to forge SSN's and other documents. It's illegal to hire illegal aliens.

I just believe we should obey laws, unless they directly contradict scripture.

I guess our laws are less important to you.

 

You would support the committing of a crime? It isn't called 'illegal' for nothing. And no one has the right to walk off the job unless they want that job put in jeopardy, and protesting against keeping laws would put a job in jeopardy in my book.

 

"These people"? I married one of "these people"; so no, it really doesn't bother me.

I'm not clear here which ends and means you're referring to. As a general principle, I'd say 'no', but in a specific case, I'd have to know the specifics before answering.

Yes, I could rightfully employ them but not exploit them.

Matthew 12. And the whole love & charity thing - treating all people humanely.

I don't think the issue is so black and white. What I find odd is that it seems like the same people who don't want illegal aliens to do work here also don't want the jobs to go there - "Us four, no more" kind of attitude. </font>[/QUOTE]You support something ilegal and think it is ok to employ them thus committing a crime yourself?
Having laws has nothing to do with treating people humanly.

 

You don't have to have a green card to get a ss#, you can be illegal and get a ss#, I have a couple of friends who work for social security, one supervisor over her section(taking applications for cards and disability), the other higher up. When they know someone is illegal they can not do anything about it. Apparently one goverment agency can not share private information with another goverment agency.

 

You've got to be kidding!

1. They broke the law by sneaking over our borders.
2. They broke the law when they got their fake green cards and fake Social Security numbers - probably a felony.
3. They brake the law by getting paid under the table, because we are required to file Federal Income Tax and in most states, State Income Tax returns.
4. They break local zoning laws by holing up by the dozens in one and two-family homes and apartments.
5. They break most state laws when they don't carry automobile insurance.
6. They break the law when they are driving in states without a legal driver's license.

And that's just a few of the local, state, and federal laws they are breaking BESIDES sneaking over our borders.

</font>[/QUOTE]If we did that we'd be in prison now!

 

I find this thread fascinating but for different reasons than most who are posting. The final church age (Laodicea) is an age that justifies her righteousness not based on scripture but on civil law. The idea being suggested is that if something is thought to be wrong or right we can in our minds make it truth simply by justifying our position with words. I am not making light of the thread and those who are contributing but I do see this element at work in this thread. There are those who uphold the law and those who render argument / evidence that the law is wrong and therefore can be broken with impunity.

I would never deny a person the right to express personal feelings/experiences but feelings and experiences do not supercede the law of the land. We live in a society that challenges us to obey the law or change the law. And this my friends is exactly what the homosexuals, the feminists, the communists and now the illegal immigrants (Catholicism and Muslimism) are doing. When the laws are changed the core beliefs and practices of believers will be illegal not because they are wrong but because someone has rendered argument to change the law and established a new version of right and wrong.

In the last four decades everything (nationally speaking) has been changed by legislation and not by biblical preaching. Law is not the answer the gospel of Jesus Christ is and if we want to stem the impact of immigrants in America we need to increase our missionaries to Mexico and our border states as well as preachers being well versed in Muslim customs. When a man's heart is changed his plan and purpose in life is changed as well.

Sorry to preach to you all but my daughter is married to a Mexican/American and another daughter is married to a Border Patrol officer and this has been a common topic in our family.

 

God gave us governments and we have to respect that to a degree. Unless the government requires us to do something unbiblical.

Also, We can't help EVERY needy one that comes to us. Charity, outside of the church, must happen in a logical and ordered manner or the aid will soon run out and the end situation will be worse than the beginning.

Just as a side note. My wife is an American and I am British. In two weeks her visa runs out and though we have applied the permanent visa has not yet arrived. At this rate, I may end up married to an illegal immigrant!!