Some things about the Passion movie that I really liked...

No I don't think that is teh accusation Donna made. Here is the post.

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What we need to shy away from is elevating the use movies and media in replacement of scripture. So long as that line is not crossed, the concern of acceptng non-bilical things is somewhat minimal. Present, but minimal.
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Well thats happening, we've seen it right here on the BB since the movie came out.

IMO what she has claimed is that this film has been elevated to a level of replacing scripture. this is what I asked her to give evidence of. I think this is a fair request. If this is not her intent then she can clarify.
Murph

 

Understood but there have been many occasions on this forum and others in which a thread has run with the request that the responces be only from a certain view or in promotion of a certain issue or subject. In the past these were normally honored by the opposing view and moderators have allowed it as long as the thread stayed harmonious.
Murph

 

Murph---you say ". . .there have been many occasions on this forum and other in which a thread has run with the request that the responses be only from a certain view or in promition of a certain issue or subject."

Simple solution---is Moderators can "steer" the particular threads out of the Debate forums and into the Fellowship forums!

The way I view Diane's Supporter's thread is sorta like the opposition views a MASH unit! When you see a big red cross in your crosshair's---you have to aim your Mortor tube somewhere else! But when you're in a Debate forum---keep your head and hiney down! See??

 

I agree - it seems silly to post a thread on a debate forum and ask that all dissenting viewpoints not be allowed.

 

Seems simple enough to me. I liked the acting. Someone else might like the special effects better. We could debate about what we like and who likes what best and why. It would still be a debate within the framework of the original post instead of hijacking the thread into another bashing thread.

 

Glory and Blackbird I appreciate your opinion and accept it as that but I was simply saying that this has been done before. But back to your suggestion that this type of thread be steered to a fellowship forum, I dissagree. I somehow sense that you fellas feel that a thread of this type is not deserving to be in a debate forum, once again I dissagree.
Murph

 

A certain mod seems bent on calling me a liar, even though others have said they read the same comments I have here. Well here is the original post of mine where I quoted them. Here is your proof. Now after publicly insinuating I am a liar, I expect an apology.

I know I posted this more then once, I had thought it was on the same thread, it was not.

http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/48/601/4.html?

March 9

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Originally posted by pinoybaptist:
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Well, I don't know who's calling that movie Biblical. I'm not.
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This movie is not only Biblical but so realistic that you cannot help but be moved by not only what Jesus did but what His FATHER had to do for his son.

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I saw the film yesterday and saw no doctrinal errors. In fact, what I saw was a lot of research, both Biblical and historical, that went into this film.
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It seems to be very accurate historically and biblically.
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I am KJV and have seen the movie and found nothing wrong with it, nothing out of line with Scripture, certainly nothing anti-Scripture.


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What ERROR are you talking about? Stop with the mindless rhetoric about promoting ERROR when you are not naming something that is ERROR.
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I found NOTHING about the movie to be in ERROR.

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There are NO errors.

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I have just proven this statement is not true.

 

Claims that can only be made about scripture itself.

 

Gosh Donna, I never saw someone say the movie had no errors or artistic license. Where is that? I'd like to see who said it!

Diane

 

Diane, I originally got these from several threads. When I originally got them I purposely left off the posters names in an effort to keep trouble down, yet these types of quotes are worth noting.

 

My concern about this is that anytime this topic comes up and anyone who opposes the Passion makes a comment we are seen as trouble makers and naysayers.

It seems like one side can say all they want, but as soon as there is a reply (in a debate forum) there is a charge of hijacking.

I think I am missing something here.

 

I was going to delete my last post, but decided that that would not be honest an a usurpation of my moderating authority.

Saying that, after reading a few other things I feel like, as someone said elsewhere "all that anyone has to say has been said" and therefore will not be posting on any Passion threads in the future.

My heart's desire was never to be a trouble maker or naysayer. I have what I believe to be legitimate concerns about the film and the response of conservative evangelicals to the film. As far as I can remember I have never been critical of anyone who has chosen to see the movie - that is our liberty in Christ. My expression of my personal concerns was never meant as a personal attack on anyone and if anyone has perceived it that way I apologise.

Roger

 

Donna I have not called you a liar, I have simply asked you to offer your evidence of this forum taking the stance that the passion is to be accepted at a level above scripture. If you cannot produce this then why are you so angry. The quotes you have posted IMo have expressed the inaccurate view that this film is without biblical error. As you can see while you are researching posts I have never allowed that opinion to stand here, either before I watched the film or after. That is the reason I am so intent on your giving proof or recanting your claim. I do appreciate the fact that you have given these quotes as your proof but IMo they do not show that the film superscedes scipture as you claim. I am open to your explanation as to how these quotes do so and as Diane has said I would like to see who posted. Maybe a small matter but especially in this thread which is titled what do you like about the film, a claim like you made unsubstanciated is nothing short of flaming. And in answer to your request for an apology for calling you a liar, sorry but I will respectfully decline. I might add that close to the top of my list for things I would never do is demand someone to apologize to me, a forced apology is worth very little.
Murph

 

Then it is alright for moderators to abuse their authroity, insult people and not have to apopologize.

No Donna it is not alright, no more than it is for Christians to disobey authority. I wanted to leave your accusations here so everyone will see an example of how not to dissagree with a moderators request. If you or anyone is unhappy with the way I am handling myself you should send a PM to one or all of our Administrators. They are my superiors on this board and I will abide by their decision on any matter. I am not trying to abuse power or insult people but simply to moderate this forum. Funny as I have previously stated I have had very little trouble doing so before I changed my views on the passion, Go figure. I would hope that any poster in any forum would follow the board guidelines and common courtesy by seeking assistance from a moderator via PM or by contacting the board leadership rather than making claims of power abuse.
Murph

***Sorry I hit the edit button instead of quote*** I didn't change Donna's post

[ April 28, 2004, 03:47 PM: Message edited by: C.S. Murphy ]

 

Assuming you're speaking of the various arguments (especially the anti-passion arguments) having been stated before... then why not simply get rid of the whole KJV debate... that horse has been beaten so much there's no recognizing it anymore.

I see... Folks are only encouraged to post if they approve of the film. Those who believe the film teaches another gospel aren't welcome to express their views on the subject. We'll debate my favorite scenes vs. your favorite scenes. Don't say you don't approve of my scenes... that's against the rules of the forum.

It looks like the word debate has taken on a new meaning. I'm not trying to be a wiseguy here Murph, but I fail to see the logic in having a "debate forum" while not allowing debate.

 

Here's a quote from the Fundamental Forum Guidlines:

 

Assuming you're speaking of the various arguments (especially the anti-passion arguments) having been stated before</font>[/QUOTE]No that it not my intent. I was speaking of the fact that in the past we have allowed threads that had a certain premise or discussion and other views were asked not to post. I am sure it was and is not in the guidelines but rather it was respected out of christian courtesy.
Murph

 

</font>[/QUOTE]Glad you like my work but what's the point.

 

</font>[/QUOTE]Glad you like my work but what's the point. </font>[/QUOTE]No real point, I just admired the most excellent writing talent so obviously displayed here. I'm thinking of posting this beautiful prose in random topics so all can see!

Seriously though... the point is made that this is a DEBATE forum, in fact it goes as far as to say debates can be "heated at times". Most forums are more DISCUSSION oriented... if you simply want to discuss your favorite Passion quote then post your thread in some DISCUSSION forum, where opposing views are restricted.

There is a difference between DEBATE and DISCUSSION. It's time to clean up this place! Get organized! You're not going to use that famous quote of the seven last words of a dying church, are you: "That's the way we've always done it"?