Some Thoughts on the Post-Incarnate Christ

[asterisktom]

Some Thoughts on the Post-Incarnate Christ

I think that we Christians, like everyone else, have a hard time of thinking outside the box. It is very hard to see beyond our own frame of reference. This is why we always need to prayerfully rel…

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I think that we Christians, like everyone else, have a hard time of thinking outside the box. It is very hard to see beyond our own frame of reference. This is why we always need to prayerfully rely on the Word of God to help our understanding of spiritual truths. It is as easy as it is dangerous for us to speak authoritatively on heavenly truths that we can only “see in a mirror dimly”.

 

[Ascetic X]

Those are some strange doctrines that I have never heard anyone teach, certainly not Baptist pastors.

Jesus no longer has a human body? During the Millennium, He will reign as a spirit, not physical?

Jesus returned in the 1st century? You mean when He resurrected?

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… there is a second set of truths that are not as readily accepted by Christians but can be deduced from Scripture. One of these, of course, is the placing of the return of Christ, the Parousia, in the 1st century. To this set I would add the belief that Christ currently no longer has a physical body.

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[JesusFan]

Some Thoughts on the Post-Incarnate Christ

I think that we Christians, like everyone else, have a hard time of thinking outside the box. It is very hard to see beyond our own frame of reference. This is why we always need to prayerfully rel…

asterisktom.wordpress.com

I think that we Christians, like everyone else, have a hard time of thinking outside the box. It is very hard to see beyond our own frame of reference. This is why we always need to prayerfully rely on the Word of God to help our understanding of spiritual truths. It is as easy as it is dangerous for us to speak authoritatively on heavenly truths that we can only “see in a mirror dimly”.

Did jesus have a spiritual or physical resurrection, and what type will we have, and is that still a future event yet to come?

 

[Ascetic X]

Did jesus have a spiritual or physical resurrection, and what type will we have, and is that still a future event yet to come?

Jesus had a physical resurrection in that He told Thomas to poke his fingers into His wounds.

Jesus in His resurrected body ate fish and honeycomb.

Luke 24

36 While they were describing these events, Jesus Himself stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.”

37 But they were startled and frightened, thinking they had seen a spirit.

38 “Why are you troubled,” Jesus asked, “and why do doubts arise in your hearts?

39Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see—for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

40And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and feet.

41 While they were still in disbelief because of their joy and amazement, He asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?”

42So they gave Him a piece of broiled fish,

43 and He took it and ate it in front of them.

Luke 25:42

So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. And He took it and ate in their presence.

 

[asterisktom]

Did jesus have a spiritual or physical resurrection, and what type will we have, and is that still a future event yet to come?

Jesus certainly had a physical resurrection. If you had read my article you would have seen this.

 

[asterisktom]

Jesus had a physical resurrection in that He told Thomas to poke his fingers into His wounds.

Jesus in His resurrected body ate fish and honeycomb.

Luke 24

36 While they were describing these events, Jesus Himself stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.”

37 But they were startled and frightened, thinking they had seen a spirit.

38 “Why are you troubled,” Jesus asked, “and why do doubts arise in your hearts?

39Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see—for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

40And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and feet.

41 While they were still in disbelief because of their joy and amazement, He asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?”

42So they gave Him a piece of broiled fish,

43 and He took it and ate it in front of them.

Luke 25:42

So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. And He took it and ate in their presence.

No one here is denying His physical resurrection.

 

[asterisktom]

Those are some strange doctrines that I have never heard anyone teach, certainly not Baptist pastors.

Jesus no longer has a human body? During the Millennium, He will reign as a spirit, not physical?

Jesus returned in the 1st century? You mean when He resurrected?

QUOTE

… there is a second set of truths that are not as readily accepted by Christians but can be deduced from Scripture. One of these, of course, is the placing of the return of Christ, the Parousia, in the 1st century. To this set I would add the belief that Christ currently no longer has a physical body.

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Being human does not require being physical. When a person dies he still has his soul. He is still human. That was the point in the article. When Jesus referred to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob they were still human and alive though, at that time, with no physical bodies.

 

[Ascetic X]

@asterisktom

I did read your article.

If Christ has no physical body, how will He reign in the Millinneum?

How did you decide the return of Christ, the Parousia, happened in the 1st century? Jesus explained in Matthew the events that would accompany His second coming.

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… there is a second set of truths that are not as readily accepted by Christians but can be deduced from Scripture. One of these, of course, is the placing of the return of Christ, the Parousia, in the 1st century. To this set I would add the belief that Christ currently no longer has a physical body.

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[37818]

. . . the belief that Christ currently no longer has a physical body.

Jesus now has a physical body:

Luke 24:37-40, But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

 

[Ben1445]

I did read your article.

If Christ has no physical body, how will He reign in the Millinneum?

How did you decide the return of Christ, the Parousia, happened in the 1st century? Jesus explained in Matthew the events that would accompany His second coming.

QUOTE

… there is a second set of truths that are not as readily accepted by Christians but can be deduced from Scripture. One of these, of course, is the placing of the return of Christ, the Parousia, in the 1st century. To this set I would add the belief that Christ currently no longer has a physical body.

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If it helps, you are discussing preterism.

 

[kyredneck]

If it helps, you are discussing preterism.

Lol, so? What?

 

[percho]

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he [Christ] was buried, and that he [Christ] rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Cor 15:3,4

I believe the above says The soul Christ died in a corruptible body for our sins, the soul Christ was buried in a corruptible body then Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? - Then - Acts 2:31 “he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.

I believe the following is about the Christ:

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1 Cor 15:44

The soul Jesus the Christ died in a natural [soulish] body was buried, same and the soul Jesus the Christ was raised in a spiritual body, yet physical, with the soul of the flesh not being in the blood; but in spirit.

V 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

This also is about Christ: V 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward [After resurrection] that which is spiritual.

I believe the reason for only 3 days @Ben1445 is relative to nor did his flesh see corruption. From another thread.

 

[Ben1445]

Lol, so? What?

I was just pointing out the viewpoint that he was questioning in order to quickly bring him up to speed with where some people are coming from.
Does it bother you much when I mention preterism?
I didn’t even say anything about it. You are jumpy.

 

[Ben1445]

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he [Christ] was buried, and that he [Christ] rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Cor 15:3,4

I believe the above says The soul Christ died in a corruptible body for our sins, the soul Christ was buried in a corruptible body then Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? - Then - Acts 2:31 “he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.

I believe the following is about the Christ:

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 1 Cor 15:44

The soul Jesus the Christ died in a natural [soulish] body was buried, same and the soul Jesus the Christ was raised in a spiritual body, yet physical, with the soul of the flesh not being in the blood; but in spirit.

V 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

This also is about Christ: V 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward [After resurrection] that which is spiritual.

I believe the reason for only 3 days @Ben1445 is relative to nor did his flesh see corruption. From another thread.

Job 19:26
And though after my skin worms destroy this body,
yet in my flesh shall I see God:

 

[asterisktom]

Jesus now has a physical body:

Luke 24:37-40, But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

Another person who hasn't read the article. I am not denying a physical resurrection.

 

[asterisktom]

Job 19:26
And though after my skin worms destroy this body,
yet in my flesh shall I see God:

This was covered in an earlier article. The translation above is faulty, leading to a misconstruction of what Job is actually affirming..

Job’s Resurrection Verse: Job 19:25-26

What does Job actually “know” here?It is different from what many today say He knows. “For I know that my redeemer lives, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:…

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Job’s Resurrection Verse: Job 19:25-26:

“For I know that my redeemer lives, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:”

What does Job actually “know” here? It is different from what many futurists today say He knows.

 

[37818]

Another person who hasn't read the article. I am not denying a physical resurrection.

My post was NOT a reply to your article.

 

[Ben1445]

This was covered in an earlier article. The translation above is faulty, leading to a misconstruction of what Job is actually affirming..

Job’s Resurrection Verse: Job 19:25-26

What does Job actually “know” here?It is different from what many today say He knows. “For I know that my redeemer lives, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:…

asterisktom.wordpress.com

Job’s Resurrection Verse: Job 19:25-26:

“For I know that my redeemer lives, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:”

What does Job actually “know” here? It is different from what many futurists today say He knows.

It seems to me that what Job knows is different than what preterists say he knows.
Job said his own flesh. I don’t see how you can change that, but don’t just call it a faulty translation. Translate it the way you think it is supposed to be so we can understand what you think it should be.

 

[Ben1445]

Jesus does not inherit the kingdom in the same way we inherit the kingdom.
First, Jesus is God and it is His kingdom.
Second, there is nothing that Jesus did that would disinherit Him from the kingdom as man has been disinherited because of sin.

Please note that I am not saying that Jesus does not inherit. We are heirs with Him.

What we do know is this, depending on whether or not you believe the parts of the Bible that are supplied.

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

I don’t think it is mandatory that we have flesh as we have today. I don’t think that everything is going to be the same as we are now.
We are waiting for the redemption of our bodies.
Since our bodies are to be redeemed, something is going to be done with them. There is no doubt that they will be changed, unless you doubt what Scripture says.

1 Corinthians 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

 

[JesusFan]

No one here is denying His physical resurrection.

How about our physical resurrection?