Someone enlighten me please - Iran

You didn't say that you thought they were in a cave. You said you thought they were in the river. I don't think the verse in Revelation applies in that manner, but like I said, it's Revelation, and the best we can do is speculate.

The Bible Code/codes are heretical garbage.

 

What truth would that be Poncho? That the Holocaust didn't occur? That the Mullahs are not interested in developing nukes? That they don't have a specific idea of how to use them against Israel and the west?... or the truth of those innane conspiracy theories that you lap up like JJ's Kool-Aid? </font>[/QUOTE]A conspiracy theory? You mean like the theory that Saddam was going to nuke us with his supersecret bomb,</font>[/QUOTE] Who said that? Intelligence reports even from countries that were closer to Iraq and opposed to the war like France and Russia affirmed that Saddam was developing WMD's.

No one that I know of said that he definitely had a bomb... only that he couldn't be allowed to have one. They were right. You are wrong on that point.

You know, for all this Bush is the boogey man blather, he seems to be very willing to work through the UN. I don't see him expressing as much impatience as many others to include the Dems and McCain.

Accused me of being blind to some obvious diversion from the truth. Your conspiracy apparently has Bush making up or exaggerating the threat Iran could pose if allowed to develop nukes.

I am simply pointing out what kind of people you insenuate are benign.

I never liked nor trusted Bush 1.

I am still pretty much convinced that he set Saddam up for Kuwait. They knew 6 months in advance what he was doing. Making a public statement of our interest and will to preserve Kuwait followed by moving a carrier fleet up to the region probably would have been enough to discourage Saddam's aggression. I think that Bush baited him by making him think we would do nothing but complain.

Need an opportunity to try out the "New World Order"... create one.

One of the things that makes me think Bush 2 is different is that most of the "global" community disapproved of his actions.

Do you really think a conspiracy capable of doing the things you describe couldn't "ensure" that WMD's were found in Iraq if W was in on it?

If that conspiracy actually exists, don't you think they could have just as easily ensured that weapons were not found if W bucked them?

Who considered Bush 1 a conservative? I never did.

Those who want to dominate the world in control its populace have never been in short supply. That really isn't in question nor is the fact that technology will do what ZB said.

The question is whether there is a conspiracy around every corner and whether every leader and politician is in on it.

There are elites. They probably are working the politics of power behind closed doors. There is nothing wrong with recognizing this and applying it. But you have gone paranoid.

You want to talk diversion? Monica was the least of Clinton's transgressions...

He sold us out by giving the Chinese missile technology and was engaged in various other transgressions. What did someone do to keep him in power? Strangely, people with information on Clinton lived very hazard prone lives. Many of them on the outside seemed stable but must have had problems judging from the suicide rate of people with knowledge of Clinton's activities.

Compare that to Bush. I have yet to see the media let up on him. If anything, they contrived lies to try to put Kerry in. The non-stop mantra by globalists in and out of the US has been to condemn him for everything from Iraq to Kyoto.

If the NWO is propping Bush up or if he is doing their bidding while taking such abuse... then they have happened on a strange form of reverse psychology.

 

Did you read what the Russian general said about intelligence insiders? It isn't any theory that the globaists make sure "trust worthy" people get the jobs that put them in position to make such statements to the press that just happens to be made up of more members of an elite globalist group, the CFR. They control the information outlets Scott. You might call it the "liberal" press but it's owned by globalists. They play both sides, funding them, they play the racial groups, funding them. Keeping us divided is very important to them.

Willing to work through the UN? His dad pledged us to the UN charter. He says in front of the camera that the UN is irrelevant but yet sends his wife to England to sign us back into UNESCO, Ronald Reagan said UNESCO was anti American and got us out of it.

We (the USA) are the bad cop. We torture, we fly people from one country to another country that uses torture we disreguard international law or call it quaint. Even if you don't agree the rest of the world sees us as torturers and invaders. Our standing among the nations has taken a great hit. The world hates us now. Coincidence? Or are we empowering the United Nations? They can come along and play the good cop now. It's theater.

They did the same with Saddam, read the PNAC documents, read Brzezinski's books, read what they were saying before the gulf war. This was all planned long ago Scott it's no secret. Page 14 of "Rebuilding America's Defenses" admits Saddam was just the immediate justification for a wider war in the Middle East. They want to control Eurasia! They want control period even if it means tracking and tracing everything you and your children do electronically or otherwise, I'm not making this stuff up it's there for all to read.

Well you were one up on me then because I trusted the guy. Bush did set him up. The CIA set him up as ruler, Bush helped arm the guy. They need boogeymen to scare us with, to fight against, to sell weapons to then smash. It a cycle. Build em up scare the daylights out of everyone with them then act the hero and take them out.

Bush Sr. has talked of the NWO as some kind of benefit to mankind. Yeah right benefit to the super rich and powerful mankind. What about this thousand points of light he speaks of? Isn't that occultic language? This guy hangs out (as well as his son) at Bohemian Grove where the elite dress up in long black and red robes and make faux sacrifices to an owl god, hello?! That's not Christianity Scott.

Good cop bad cop. Making sure the conquered peoples will except giving up their national sovereignty to a "global" authority. It's theater, same as the Bush/Clinton buddyhood I'd guess you'd call it now.

W. doesn't even have to be in on it but I believe he is, no one gets to where he is without being put under the microscope of the globalists to make sure they'll be trustworthy. Plausible deniablity. If Bush is dragged into court he can't spill the beans. These people are above the POTUS above congress and certainly run this country for their own benefit. They get control from chaos, order out of chaos is their motto.

Did you notice how after the Russian general told us about state sponsored terror, his remedy was the same as the globalists? A world "authority"? All roads lead to the same global authority. Ultimatley American's will be forced to obey it if we let them keep us divided and scared of the shadows of their making.

You know what Bush is doing? I'll tell ya. He's testing to see how far American's will let him go with the globalists social law and setting up the North American Community (CFR). Setting precedents and "catapulting the propaganda".

That's good Scott. Most folks eyes get glazed over and defensive when anyone doubts the Bush's conservatism. They're globalists like the Clintons and they are not here to defend and protect the constitution or this country or your children or mine, but to subvert the constitution and our national sovereignty even further than the "liberals" that also work for and funded by the globalists (knowingly or unknowingly) already have. They play boths sides while setting up a global big brother police state.

The answer is yes and no. Yes there is a conspiracy to bring the world into a one world government. Has been for centuries. And no every leader and politician isn't in on it. I'll bet if you asked half of the Mayors in this country if they promote global socialism they'd honestly say no. But, they've signed on the dotted line with the UN Earth Charter. I don't think they even realize what they're promoting. Everything sounds good when you frame in it helping humanity or "for the children" but the legalities, the details of it are socialism, and who benefits from socialism? The beurocrats and elite that control a monopoly on wealth.

Paranoid? I've read their words Scott. I've read the documents. They had no qualms about using fake terror to start a war with Cuba in the sixties. (Northwoods document)

Oh please more theater. But you are correct, a diversion to keep our minds off Clinton building up a Chinese industrial power to suck our wealth away and set the stage for another "war" and chaos. Can you imagine how the world will clamor after anyone promising peace after a few Chinese or Russian nukes hit America? Wonder who might be waiting in the wings to make such promises under the guise of a single global authority?

I agree Clinton was/is a traitor to the United States. Arkanside? Yeah, alot of folks seemed to come down with that malady. Clinton played the liberals and "moderates" for all they were worth, doing his job keeping us divided and driving us closer to world government.

C'mon Scott. Get real Bush and Kerry are Skull and Bones brothers. It doesn't matter which one gets to sit in the oval office, the globalists win either way. They can play the liberal anything goes live your own life crowd or they can play the Chritian "moral majority" to impliment their schemes it doesn't matter they controll both sides of the debate by controlling the media. Now, after the latest merger with CBS there is five count them five corporations that own the media? Who owns it again...liberals??? C'mon think about it.

You should read The Coming Battle Scott, it was written in 1899. No one in this government can make a move without being controlled by them.

 

Nixon and Kissenger were responsible for "opening up" China BTW. Kissenger, talk about a globalist. Poulation control is his specialty. Actually it's to gain control of third world resources using population control as the cover. Read the documents.

 

LadyEagle:

A former Iraqi General, George Sados, was just on Hannity and Colmes, claiming that he helped oversee the movement of WMDs to Damascus by both air and ground routes, months before we invaded.
No nukes, just bio and chem.

They will be found, if we have the strength to take out Syria...

 

Iraqi sources about supposed WMDs have not proven to be reliable at all. No one with wisdom should accept their word without solid, unimpeachable proof.

Take out Syria? The way some of ya'll are talking I think ya'll just want to take out every other country in the world except for Britain - and I have my doubts that ya'll wouldn't want to take Britain out just to make it a clean sweep.

Ya'll had best be petitioning the Congress to increase the size of the military by a factor of 20 to match ya'll's militaristic dreams.

I hope even more now that the Democrats take over the Congress in this November's elections to put a stop to these wild militaristic ideas of some Bush supporters.

 

In the end, we will still end up having another terrorist attack here on the Homeland, and it will probably be nukes on simultaneous cities.

I agree. And then the liberals will attack Bush for not doing enough to stop it! Hypocrisy.

 

You know I have a Top Secret clearance and use to sit in a big vault every morning and listened to classified stuff about our everyday threats.

The typical Joe Blow out there has no clue of what it is really like out there in the world and how many bad guys there are out there with one mission:

To destroy the US.

 

They sure like to point out the failures, though...

 

No. We were already in a Congressionally declared war. We were not deceived to go to war in World War II. </font>[/QUOTE]Really???

You know that for a fact?

I saw a documentary not too long ago that didn't veer off into any conspiracy theory but gave historical evidence that while FDR was publicly agreeing with isolationism... privately, he very much wanted to come to Britain's aid. There is every evidence that he manipulated the press as well.

This documentary didn't claim that he allowed PH or anything... but it did establish that FDR had a motive.

 

No. We were already in a Congressionally declared war. We were not deceived to go to war in World War II. </font>[/QUOTE]Who would you like us to declare war against Ken?

 

How much have you heard about the UN Charter, the UN Earth Charter, Agenda 21 or Sustainable Development sitting there in your vault?

These are communist programs to destroy christianity and America while you guys "in the know" are busy watching MI5 and CIA operatives make threats of doom to America on tv the real threat to this country goes un noticed.

 

We did not enter the war until we were actually attacked, regardless of what FDR wanted.

 

At the moment, no one.

 

At the moment, no one. </font>[/QUOTE]What would you have had us do about 9/11 if anything? Who would you have declared war on over that since you apparently think military action requires a DoW?

 

I would have liked to have seen a DoW on Afghanistan.

 

Yes, I would. Declaring war shows that we are in a real war, not a police action. A real war requires that we attempt to attain victory; a police action means that we just try to keep the situation under control.