Song of Solomon

[quantumfaith]

It's called Song of Solomon/Song of Songs... Songs never include hyperbole or figures of speech eh?

And you couldn't really say that to your spouse? Really? My wife may not be literally :smilewinkgrin: flawless in body, or personality but I am able to quote 4:7 to her with a totally clear conscience because to me she is "all fair."

As much as I respect the intellect of Aaron, I have learned that scripture is only permitted to be metaphorical, allegorical or contain hyperbole, when he (and any other number of "sages") will permit.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

I have heard this book on Mothers day! It is a beautiful book on love and relationships, especially a metaphorical one between Christ and the church or a husband and his wife. It is proclaimed to be sort of erotic, but, I have found it a beatutiful book of words about love from meeting to marriage! IMHO of course!

It is my opinion, that with the leading of the Holy Spirit, a preacher could develop a sermon from several verses. The one I love to use this: "How lovely are your cheeks; your earrings set them afire! How lovely is your neck, enhanced by a string of jewels. We will make for you earrings of gold and beads of silver - AND How beautiful you are, my darling, how beautiful!"

I would like to think that it is more than acceptable for a couple to express their feelings for one another, and these verses show the kind of praise a man should feel for his wife, the mother of their children!

Good points.
Personally, I am weirded out by people who make this out to be seemingly pornographic, or discuss the carnal thoughts experienced when they read this Book of the Bible. The Song of Solomon is not about fornication.

Regards,
BiR

 

[saturneptune]

It is obvious a Calvinist wrote Song of Solomon.

 

[Aaron]

It's called Song of Solomon/Song of Songs... Songs never include hyperbole or figures of speech eh?

:thumbs: You mean like metaphor?

Consider songs that are wholly allegory (which is merely an extended metaphor):

Morning Has Broken
This Old House
In the Garden
Psalm 23
etc. (these are just what pop into my head at the moment)​

But marriage and nuptial pleasures, though actual events, are themselves allegory of God, Christ, the Holy Ghost and the Church.

And you couldn't really say that to your spouse? Really? My wife may not be literally flawless in body, or personality but I am able to quote 4:7 to her with a totally clear conscience because to me she is "all fair."

And you're fortunate. 1) Because you truly love her unconditionally, and love believes all things, (which is unlikely, as I have never met such a man) or 2) You love her because she is lovely despite the corruptions of the flesh (which I think is more likely, as, according to Solomon, it's the virtuous woman that a husband praises, and that is what I have seen without exception.)

And, I might add, that for women, growing old is ever more harsh on them, because to be seen as beautiful and dignified they must possess greater degrees of faith, virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, kindness and charity than do men.

Just talking about the outward appearance of things. (Sorry, but that's the reality.)

So, for the Song to be universal, it has to be allegory. The physical features and ornaments in which the bridegroom delights metaphorical of graces and virtues.

 

[TadQueasy]

The Song of Solomon is not about fornication.

The sexual relationship within the bounds of marriage is not fornication.

 

[RLBosley]

:thumbs: You mean like metaphor?

Consider songs that are wholly allegory (which is merely an extended metaphor):

Morning Has Broken
This Old House
In the Garden
Psalm 23
etc. (these are just what pop into my head at the moment)​

When I said "literal" I didn't mean every single detail was 100% literal truth. By "literal", referring to SoS, I mean that it is actually a song about (or by) the two lovers. That is the primary, and I think intended meaning of the Song. There is nothing within the book that I see that indicates it is to be taken wholly metaphorically.

Can you make the application top Christ and the church? Sure!
Same as you can make the application of Joshua leading the Children of Israel into the Promised land to Jesus leading the Church to our Eternal Promised Land. But that wasn't the intention.

But marriage and nuptial pleasures, though actual events, are themselves allegory of God, Christ, the Holy Ghost and the Church.

Truth. :thumbsup:

And you're fortunate. 1) Because you truly love her unconditionally, and love believes all things, (which is unlikely, as I have never met such a man) or 2) You love her because she is lovely despite the corruptions of the flesh (which I think is more likely, as, according to Solomon, it's the virtuous woman that a husband praises, and that is what I have seen without exception.)

And, I might add, that for women, growing old is ever more harsh on them, because to be seen as beautiful and dignified they must possess greater degrees of faith, virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, kindness and charity than do men.

Just talking about the outward appearance of things. (Sorry, but that's the reality.)

Not sure your point here, but yes I do love my wife unconditionally. And not because she's attractive. She is a virtuous woman and I feel she exemplifies Proverbs 31.

So, for the Song to be universal, it has to be allegory. The physical features and ornaments in which the bridegroom delights metaphorical of graces and virtues.

Your opinion. I disagree.

Good points.
Personally, I am weirded out by people who make this out to be seemingly pornographic, or discuss the carnal thoughts experienced when they read this Book of the Bible. The Song of Solomon is not about fornication.

Regards,
BiR

No one said it's about fornication. It can be about sex without it being porneia.

 

[Winman]

Maybe it's my age, but is anyone else uncomfortable with a pastor talking about his sex life with his wife in a message? It sounds almost like the guy who prayed before the NASCAR race and mentioned "his smoking hot wife".

Maybe both Platt and Nascar guys' wives were ok with what was said, but mine would have pulled out my tongue.

WARNING! This video is vulgar!

Your question reminded me of this video I ran across quite by accident (honestly) last week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEkx7P3PNUQ

 

[Aaron]

Can you make the application to Christ and the church? Sure!
Same as you can make the application of Joshua leading the Children of Israel into the Promised land to Jesus leading the Church to our Eternal Promised Land.

Good so far.

But that wasn't the intention.

Sure it was. Christ and the church is why marriage was created. It's why anything was created.

Not sure your point here,

Yeah, the wording got away from me on that one.

but yes I do love my wife unconditionally.

You're the first man with whom I've been in contact that does. I mean, you're not the first one to say he does, and believe he does, but if you actually do love her unconditionally, then I think you're the first one.

And not because she's attractive. She is a virtuous woman and I feel she exemplifies Proverbs 31.

Who couldn't love such an one? See what I mean? Imagine a bitchy couch potatoe. Think you'd feel the same way? That's why I say your love is conditional.

Your opinion. I disagree.

You just said that the true beauty of your wife was her virtue and grace, and that even if she isn't as physically ravishing as the loved one in the Song, you could say she is all fair.

So, looks like you do agree. :thumbs:

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

Good points.
Personally, I am weirded out by people who make this out to be seemingly pornographic, or discuss the carnal thoughts experienced when they read this Book of the Bible. The Song of Solomon is not about fornication.

Regards,
BiR

No one said it's about fornication. It can be about sex without it being porneia.

Notice that I didn't accuse anyone in this comment I made - and you reproduced. As a matter of fact, I was very careful not to accuse anyone. I simply noted that I am weirded out by those who do. Your second sentence is precisely the point I was making.

Regards,
BiR

 

[DrJamesAch]

It is obvious a Calvinist wrote Song of Solomon.

It is obvious that a Calvinist did NOT write the Song of Solomon because the subject in chapter one is ASKING to be drawn, instead of being forcefully drawn. Finish 5th grade before you tackle this book. More Bible, less astronomy.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

It is obvious that a Calvinist did NOT write the Song of Solomon because the subject in chapter one is ASKING to be drawn, instead of being forcefully drawn. Finish 5th grade before you tackle this book. More Bible, less astronomy.

WOW!

 

[saturneptune]

WOW!

It was a good thread, but have requested it be closed due to the post in #30.

 

[SovereignMercy]

It is obvious that a Calvinist did NOT write the Song of Solomon because the subject in chapter one is ASKING to be drawn, instead of being forcefully drawn. Finish 5th grade before you tackle this book. More Bible, less astronomy.

Why is she asking?

Your people shall be volunteers In the day of Your power; in the beauties of holiness, from the womb of the morning, You have the dew of Your youth.

Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

Now a certain woman named Lydia heard us. She was a seller of purple from the city of Thyatira, who worshiped God. The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul.

For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence. But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God-and righteousness and sanctification and redemption- that, as it is written, "He who glories, let him glory in the LORD."

More Bible, less worthless doctor's degrees.

 

[DrJamesAch]

[thread closed by request of the originator so that Dr Ach will not ruin another thread]