I know this, Jon, history has never fought against an evil such as the "rock beat" that changed this world forever for the negative.
It brought about a separation of families and introduced a spirit of rebellion against God to ways of the world.
-
Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
Songs and Christian Liberty
- Thread starter JonC
- Start date
I know this, Jon, history has never fought against an evil such as the "rock beat" that changed this world forever for the negative.
It brought about a separation of families and introduced a spirit of rebellion against God to ways of the world.
Lol, I was once sent to the Co's office for a pow wow about carrying my dog tags in my pocket.
Don't do that in the 82nd, without any warnings he sent me to the stockade for 24 hrs.
Yes, it did. It did in the 17th century with the introduction of hymns into Baptist worship.
According to the IFB-ish people of that time the introduction of this Satanic, worldly music would destroy faithful churches.
What did the introduction of hymns do? It split churches, pit Christian against Christian, destroyed families as the pro-hymn generation rebelled from the anti-hymn people.
But what was the real cause? This is where history comes in. The real cause was the IFB-ish churches fighting against the "new cart" of hymns thinking they were fighting the good fight for the faith. History records the truth - they were fighting against God.
It is the same with the IFB churvhes today. They make the exact claims that were used against them anout praise worship. They see the same work of Satan they were accused of adopting. The only difference is which beats are emphasized.
The "heros" of yesterday who ushered into Baptist churches a new worship style that reached millions for Christ by adopting the music of the day has become the "villains" of today fighting against God and the millions of new Christians that were reached with the gospel of Jesus Christ through music they reject.
History tells us that the IFB churches, and many SBC churches, have become enemies of God on this topic. They have become the "villains" that percuted them at one time.
It is akin to a cycle of abuse.
You need to think about what you are saying rather than drawing on your feelings. You are saying that Satan has saved millions of souls through his music for Jesus Christ while God is declining in power.
Yea...I've been caught doing that more than once. Just got yelled at. Every time.
No Jon, I'm talking about what is pleasing to the Spirit of God and what is not. Is that "rock beat" a sweet savor rising up and pleasing the Father?
It's not His way, Jon. We will not allow it in our Church, period. Give it an inch and in time it takes a mile, but then the damage is done.
No sir, it's Barney Fife time, "nip it in the bud."
Some think they can control it, but the work of Satan cannot be controlled, it has to be eliminated.
One of the songs in our library is "Nip It" by Bruce Frye. It's hilarious.
Jon, would agree with me that most of the Churches who have compromised with the bands, the rock beat worship, they have also compromised the preaching of the Blood that saves the soul of man?
If it's possible post it, I'd like to hear it.
That is what the IFB-ish "villens" (your past enemy) said as well. They were just as sure that hymns were not pleading to God as you are that praise music is not pleasing to God.
It has come full circle. There is nothing you can say against praise music that was not said of hymns by your past enemy.
The ultimate evidence is in the result.
Those IFB-ish people were proven wrong as millions were reached with the gospel through hymns.
The IFB and SBC churches who now oppose God have been proven wrong by the millions of people who have been reached with the gospel of Jesus Christ through contemporary praise music.
You may argue all you want that hitting a snare on the 2nd and 4th beat instead of the 1st and 3rd beat is satanic. That is superstitious.
One cannot invoke God by a magic beat. One cannot invoke Satan by a magic beat.
So many IFB people would rather see millions perish in Hell than they be reached through music that taps a snare on the "wrong" beat. That is why the IFB will be spewed out.
Millions have been saved by God, much to the dismay of so many Christians.
No. I disagree.
When churches adopted hymns that was the fear, but doctrine remained strong.
Churches using praise music have not compromised doctrine in so doing. In fact, most of the praise music is far more biblical than the hymns.
That said, many churches who adopted the "new cart" of hymns did compromise doctrine.
And many churches who adopted praise music also compromised doctrine.
Many churches who maintain hymns have compromised doctrine.
Hitting a snare on the 2nd and 4th beat dud not cause churches to change theie doctrine.
In fact, many churches that use praise music have a more biblical faith and doctrine than "traditional" ones. They do not believe in "magic" beats. They do not condemn others worship for not adhering to their tradition. They reject separating over theoretical issues. But most of all, they act on their faith and bear much fruit.
Ascetic X
Active Member
Different kinds of music can certainly open minds to spiritual effects. The Bible declares this truth.
I Samuel 16:23
And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.
Well Jon, you go ahead and rock it out, I'll observe and walk the old paths, wherein is the good way.
I'm sure David was playing the 4/4 timing rock beat, that was so spiritually soothing.
Yes. The praise of God's people is sweet to God.
You say that God hates it when the 2nd and 4th beat is emphasized instead of the 2st and 3rd.
But you only have your preference as proof.
You imagine God loves the waltz but hates songs like "How Great is Our God".
You are too superstitious.
How do I know God loves praise music? Because He proved so many "Christians" His enemies on this issue as they mourn over the salvation of millions through music they dislike.
Is that how you come out from among them and be ye separate, Jon?
Just open the door and let that witch we are to separate from take over the worship service?
I don't mean to offend you, Jon, but from one Brother to another Brother in the Lord, you have lost your way!
"Seek Ye the Old Path" by Doyle Lawson and Quicksilver.
I do "rock it out" sometimes. But mostly I listen to contemporary worship music (only a deaf man...or a 70 year old....or both...would think them the same).
The "rock beat" actually predates rock music (several pre-1950's swing dongs and "jump-blues" songs used that beat). Rosetta Tharpe used this beat in 1942.
As a kid one of my favorites was "Go tell it on the Mountain" (you believe satanic).
Rock, country, R&B, the Blues.... all have accents on the 2nd and 4th beat.
The problem with rock music was not the beat. It was unpopular with older adults when developed, as it was not their music.
But many who rejected rock liked swing (often the same "rock beat").
The problem was the content of the music and often its aggressive style. Much more than emphasizing the 2nd and 4th beat instead of the 1st and 3rd.
No. I have abandoned your way.
I cannot agree with you that Satan has reached millions with the gospel of Jesus Christ as God's way has declined.
Did He reach millions with the sound of Satan?
Where are they now, what are they doing, these millions you speak of?
What are they teaching, have they presented their lives a living sacrifice unto the Lord which is their reasonable service?