Sons of Disobedience

[Jason1]

Many christians despise the Law of YHVH (several on this forum also - watch their evil replies). Here are some verses about these people:

Ephesians 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of Elohim comes upon the sons of disobedience.

Titus 1:16 They profess to know Elohim, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.

1 Samuel 12:15 "If you will not listen to the voice of the YHVH, but rebel against the command of the YHVH, then the hand of the YHVH will be against you, as it was against your fathers.

Psalm 78:10 They did not keep the covenant of Elohim And refused to walk in His law;

Jeremiah 9:13 The YHVH said, "Because they have forsaken My law which I set before them, and have not obeyed My voice nor walked according to it,

Deuteronomy 28:15 "But it shall come about, if you do not obey the YHVH your Elohim, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes with which I charge you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:

Hebrews 2:2 For if the word spoken through angels proved unalterable, and every transgression and disobedience received a just penalty,

Hos_8:12 I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing.​

1Pe_2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.​

 

[Yeshua1]

Many christians despise the Law of YHVH (several on this forum also - watch their evil replies). Here are some verses about these people:

Ephesians 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of Elohim comes upon the sons of disobedience.

Titus 1:16 They profess to know Elohim, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.

1 Samuel 12:15 "If you will not listen to the voice of the YHVH, but rebel against the command of the YHVH, then the hand of the YHVH will be against you, as it was against your fathers.

Psalm 78:10 They did not keep the covenant of Elohim And refused to walk in His law;

Jeremiah 9:13 The YHVH said, "Because they have forsaken My law which I set before them, and have not obeyed My voice nor walked according to it,

Deuteronomy 28:15 "But it shall come about, if you do not obey the YHVH your Elohim, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes with which I charge you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:

Hebrews 2:2 For if the word spoken through angels proved unalterable, and every transgression and disobedience received a just penalty,

Hos_8:12 I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing.​

1Pe_2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.​

There is now a new Covenant of Grace, and the law is not written upon our hearts!
Jesus said that we would be known by our love, not by obeying the law!

 

[MennoSota]

No one despises the law. Christians, however, read the Bible and see that Yeshua fulfilled the requirement of the law on the cross. The proof is in Yeshua's resurrection from the dead.

Christians are now found in Christ. God has declared all foods to be clean. God sees Yeshua when he looks upon our sin and he pardons us.

Only people who have never been saved by grace believe that they must work their way to perfection apart from Yeshua's atonement. Such people have no part in the body of Christ. Paul addresses them and calls their belief anathema in his letter to the Galatians.

 

[Jason1]

No one despises the law. Christians, however, read the Bible and see that Yeshua fulfilled the requirement of the law on the cross. The proof is in Yeshua's resurrection from the dead.

Christians are now found in Christ. God has declared all foods to be clean. God sees Yeshua when he looks upon our sin and he pardons us.

Only people who have never been saved by grace believe that they must work their way to perfection apart from Yeshua's atonement. Such people have no part in the body of Christ. Paul addresses them and calls their belief anathema in his letter to the Galatians.

All meats are not declared clean. That was added by the translators in violation of scripture. Anyone eating the restricted ones still sins.

Grace never allows you to sin with a free pass. That is anathema.

 

[Jason1]

There is now a new Covenant of Grace, and the law is not written upon our hearts!
Jesus said that we would be known by our love, not by obeying the law!

This statement is also untrue. What is love?

Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
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And where did Yeshua get this teaching?

Deu 6:5 “And you shall love יהוה your Elohim with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your might.
Deu 6:6 “And these Words which I am commanding you today shall be in your heart,​

Thus we conclude that love is obeying the Father. If we love Him we will not steal, kill, or do anything against the law regarding our neighbor or our Mighty One. Love is not a feeling but a dedication.

 

[TCassidy]

All meats are not declared clean. That was added by the translators in violation of scripture. Anyone eating the restricted ones still sins.

Mark 7:19 οτι ουκ εισπορευεται αυτου εις την καρδιαν αλλ εις την κοιλιαν και εις τον αφεδρωνα εκπορευεται
καθαριζον παντα τα βρωματα.

καθαριζον (making clean) παντα (all) τα (the) βρωματα (foods).

Duh! There it is. Nothing added by the translators. Just the words God inspired.

Believe it or reject it. But reject it at your own peril.

 

[Deacon]

Ephesians 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of Elohim comes upon the sons of disobedience.

Titus 1:16 They profess to know Elohim, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.​

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That was added by the translators in violation of scripture.

Speaking of "adding to scripture"... the word as it was written in Greek was Theou and Theon.

You're mixing three languages.
Where'd you get this translation of yours?

Rob

 

[MennoSota]

Greek and English translation.

Acts 10:15 Interlinear: and there is a voice again a second time unto him: 'What God did cleanse, thou, declare not thou common;'

Romans 6 tells us not to abuse grace. What it never says is that a person is damned to hell for not following the law.

Colossians says that those attempting to be justified by works are of no value to faith in Christ. They are ignoring Christ's atonement and adding a false teaching. They are sons of disobedience. Their father is the devil. They have no part in the body of Christ.

 

[Alcott]

Matthew 5:22-- But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

I Corinthians 15:35-36-- But someone will say, “How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?” You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies.

Q: Is Paul a son of disobedience facing,or having face, the wrath of Elohim?

 

[Yeshua1]

All meats are not declared clean. That was added by the translators in violation of scripture. Anyone eating the restricted ones still sins.

Grace never allows you to sin with a free pass. That is anathema.

We are not under the diet laws of israel now!

 

[Yeshua1]

This statement is also untrue. What is love?

Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
​

And where did Yeshua get this teaching?

Deu 6:5 “And you shall love יהוה your Elohim with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your might.
Deu 6:6 “And these Words which I am commanding you today shall be in your heart,​

Thus we conclude that love is obeying the Father. If we love Him we will not steal, kill, or do anything against the law regarding our neighbor or our Mighty One. Love is not a feeling but a dedication.

Is Jesus God? Since he is, his words tell to us that we are saved by placing faith and trust in Him alone!

 

[MennoSota]

The Word declared all foods to be clean. The Word has spoken. Why fight against the Word?

The disobedient one is the person who tells the Word that he is wrong to declare all foods as clean.

 

[Jason1]

The Word declared all foods to be clean. The Word has spoken. Why fight against the Word?

The disobedient one is the person who tells the Word that he is wrong to declare all foods as clean.

All foods is clean is a translator addition - often in italics. The passage was not about food but about gentiles. It's not hard to understand if you read the passage

 

[TCassidy]

All foods is clean is a translator addition - often in italics.

You seem to have ignored my post. I wonder why? Here it is again.

Mark 7:19 οτι ουκ εισπορευεται αυτου εις την καρδιαν αλλ εις την κοιλιαν και εις τον αφεδρωνα εκπορευεται
καθαριζον παντα τα βρωματα.

καθαριζον (making clean) παντα (all) τα (the) βρωματα (foods).

Duh! There it is. Nothing added by the translators. Just the words God inspired.

Believe it or reject it. But reject it at your own peril.

 

[MennoSota]

You seem to have ignored my post. I wonder why? Here it is again.

Unless God graciously opens his eyes, he will, by his very nature, reject God's word...or desperately try to reword it to avoid the truth.

 

[Jason1]

You seem to have ignored my post. I wonder why? Here it is again.

I can't read it on my phone. But it is added because it

Unless God graciously opens his eyes, he will, by his very nature, reject God's word...or desperately try to reword it to avoid the truth.

Well, we already have established that Marcionsota doesn't know the truth, so lets carry on.

In regards to Mark 7:19 there is a big misunderstanding.

1. Messiah already said that not one jot or tittle would pass away
2. Torah says that nobody can add to or take away from torah
3. Unclean meats were not considered food
4. The translations are often lacking

Here is a good explanation of that passage for anyone seeking truth (which few desire):

Did Jesus Declare All Foods Clean? A Hebraic Perspective on Mark 7:19

 

[Jason1]

Is Jesus God? Since he is, his words tell to us that we are saved by placing faith and trust in Him alone!

Is Jesus the Word? If you place your faith and trust in the Word (and Yeshua's redemption too) then you are obedient right?

 

[MennoSota]

TC, I told you he'd reject God's word or make an excuse. Rebels will never seek God. God must always reach down and save us from the doom we rightfully deserve. How I pray for God to save Jason by His grace.

 

[Jason1]

TC, I told you he'd reject God's word or make an excuse. Rebels will never seek God. God must always reach down and save us from the doom we rightfully deserve. How I pray for God to save Jason by His grace.

Marcionsota, I'm the the one rejecting it. Don't be a son of disobedience.

 

[MennoSota]

Marcionsota, I'm the the one rejecting it. Don't be a son of disobedience.

Indeed, you are the one rejecting God's word. Thanks for admitting it.
I accept God's word and have been saved by grace. I can no longer be a son of disobedience. I am found in Christ. Yeshua has set me free and I love every minute of my new life in Christ. I wish you God's saving grace, Jason.