Sorry, but the LORD does not change!

[evangelist-7]

Hebrews 1:
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

There is a definite time change here, in which God declares how he speaks to individuals at different times in different ways.

In the OT ...
God's Spirit spoke to God's "chosen people" through His anointed prophets (and occasional king).

In the NT ...
God's Spirit spoke to God's people through His anointed apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers.

Presently ...
God's Spirit speaks to God's people through His anointed apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers.

Don't know who or where any apostles are, but they are whoever is Spirit-anointed to set up and organize churches.
The words "apostle" and "prophet", like multitudes of other things, have been drummed out of the churches.

This is thanks to Satan and men who would much rather keep all of church control to demselves!
Dis should be so obvious to anyone having the Holy Spirit that it's almost laughable.
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[BillySunday1935]

“For I am the LORD, I do not change” (Malachi 3:6)

“Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.” (Hebrews 13:8)

The NT church was God’s model for all churches in the future …
re: their doctrines, evangelism, starting churches, church meetings, etc.

We know what the basic gospel message is …
but the NT tells us HOW it should be presented to the heathens:

Jesus claimed that the people needed to see signs and wonders

“Then Jesus said to him, ‘Unless you people see signs and wonders,
you will by no means believe.’ ” (John 4:48)

“Therefore they said to Him, ‘What sign will You perform then,
that we may see it and believe You?’ ” (John 6:30)

So, He gave them what they needed

“And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them,
and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen.” (Mark 16:20)

“And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not
written in this book; but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ,
the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.” (John 20:30-31)

“… (the gospel message) was confirmed to us by those who heard Him (Jesus),
God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders, with various miracles,
and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will” (Hebrews 2:3-4)

Paul thought it might just be a good idea to copy Jesus

“… in mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God
… I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.” (Romans 15:19)

“… my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom,
but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith should not be
in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.” (1 Corinthians 2:4-5)

“For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power,
and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance” (1 Thessalonians 1:5)

In recent years, this method has been used by many evangelists throughout the world

The LORD is especially delighted to perform His signs, wonders, and miracles (SWM)
where the people are genuinely ignorant and innocent unbelievers, e.g. heathens.
These people not only hear “THE FULL GOSPEL” properly to help them believe, but
they are also healed of a multitude of physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual problems.

The LORD is especially NOT interested in performing His SWM where the people are
steeped in UNBELIEF … for some reason the people have decided to NOT believe in SWM.

UNBELIEF in His precious word is extremely offensive to the LORD.
For this reason, His SWM are not experienced in many places in America.
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Hmmm....

The Lord doesn't change, eh? Well, tell that to all of the women and children in the old testament that God commanded to be slaughtered and then go out and preach the New Testament gospel.

:godisgood: Yeah... Right!

 

[DHK]

In the OT ...
God's Spirit spoke to God's "chosen people" through His anointed prophets (and occasional king).

In the NT ...
God's Spirit spoke to God's people through His anointed apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers.

Presently ...
God's Spirit speaks to God's people through His anointed apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers.

Don't know who or where any apostles are, but they are whoever is Spirit-anointed to set up and organize churches.
The words "apostle" and "prophet", like multitudes of other things, have been drummed out of the churches.

This is thanks to Satan and men who would much rather keep all of church control to demselves!
Dis should be so obvious to anyone having the Holy Spirit that it's almost laughable.
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In the OT God required circumcision.
If that were the requirement in the NT then no female could be saved, could they? Only men were circumcised, and therefore circumcision would only be extended to men.
Does God change his ways? Absolutely!

 

[Yeshua1]

Is that what you limit the Holy Spirit too? Yes! He does that..but so much more!

jesus said that was what the HS would be doing here on earth when he came...

Was Jesus wrong, or did he need 'further revelation knowledge?"

 

[Yeshua1]

And how does he speak to us by his Son?? You are comparing OT and NT...we are in the NT/New Covenant..We do not have to go to the prophets to hear from God now! Please do not limit Him to just the written word!

jesus is the FINAL word that God gave to His though!

And his word is the Bible!

 

[awaken]

jesus said that was what the HS would be doing here on earth when he came...

Was Jesus wrong, or did he need 'further revelation knowledge?"

Word of knowledge does not take away or add to the written word! They are usually given on a personal level!

But you need to dig a little deeper! The Holy Spirit does that and soooo much more!

 

[Yeshua1]

Just a note...

Didn't Jesus point to the works that He was doing? If they did not believe Him then believe the works that He is doing? Can't remember that scripture off hand.

I believe and I did seek HIM! But in seeking HIM..we come across truth!

he did them to be signs to his identify, as the King coming among them, that the Kingdom was at hand, in their midst!

Jesus also said MORE blessed are they that hear and believe, and whodo not see!

Don't need to see miracles/signs/wonders to believe, do you?

 

[awaken]

jesus is the FINAL word that God gave to His though!

And his word is the Bible!

Where does it say that Jesus just speaks to us through His written word?

 

[Yeshua1]

This is an incredibly powerful statement of spiritual Truth.
So much so ... I feel that it is anointed.

But, sorrowfully, people here don't want to see it or hear it ... for all kinds of reasons!
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the HS comes to direct all attentions towards Jesus, NOT himself!

Your theology makes Him a ring master in churches, showing off to get attention to himself, and to mere men!

 

[awaken]

jesus is the FINAL word that God gave to His though!

And his word is the Bible!

But I do not limit him to His Word! His Spirit speaks to my spirit! Jesus is still alive and speaks to us...never will he contradict His written word.

What does Romans 1:17-20 say to you?

 

[awaken]

the HS comes to direct all attentions towards Jesus, NOT himself!

Your theology makes Him a ring master in churches, showing off to get attention to himself, and to mere men!

Our church welcomes the Holy Spirit! He always magnifies God in all He does in our service!

 

[awaken]

he did them to be signs to his identify, as the King coming among them, that the Kingdom was at hand, in their midst!

Jesus also said MORE blessed are they that hear and believe, and whodo not see!

Don't need to see miracles/signs/wonders to believe, do you?

I agree! I have never seen a miracle! Yet I still believe He works the same way He did! I did not need a miracle to believe in Jesus! But since I know Him...I believe in all that He has done and what he is doing now!

 

[Yeshua1]

Our church welcomes the Holy Spirit! He always magnifies God in all He does in our service!

what exactly does he normal do in your services?

 

[Yeshua1]

I agree! I have never seen a miracle! Yet I still believe He works the same way He did! I did not need a miracle to believe in Jesus! But since I know Him...I believe in all that He has done and what he is doing now!

he cannot be working today just s he did in NT times, for you would have already seen many miracles if that were true!

 

[evangelist-7]

Hmmm....
The Lord doesn't change, eh? Well, tell that to all of the women and children in the old testament that God commanded to be slaughtered and then go out and preach the New Testament gospel. Yeah... Right!

If you understood much of anything about the OT, you would know that ...

Almighty God had to PROTECT and PRESERVE His much-less-than mighty tribe of Israel,
who was up against much more powerful enemies than they could possibly handle.

Gee, why all of that protection, i.e. the slaughtering and discouraging of Israel's enemies?

His Messiah-Redeemer-Savior was destined to come out of the loins of Israel.

P.S. Calling yourself Billy Sunday is a disgrace! ... Billy knew a thing or two.
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[evangelist-7]

Our church welcomes the Holy Spirit! He always magnifies God in all He does in our service!

Let's say between 100 and 1900, the Holy Spirit has not been welcome in 95+% of all churches.
Satan and man have seen to that.
I know you've heard the Holy Spirit is a perfect Gentleman.
Thus, He doesn't hang around where He is not welcome.

But, in these last of the last days, the Lord desires that He be made more readily available.
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[evangelist-7]

I have never seen a miracle! Yet I still believe He works the same way He did!
I did not need a miracle to believe in Jesus!
But since I know Him...I believe in all that He has done and what he is doing now!

I have seen close-up and first-hand:
miracles, healings, demons cast out, all 9 of the spiritual power gifts.

Truly, sometimes even an immediate answer to urgent prayer can almost be seen as a miracle.

Sorry, I've not seen anyone raised from the dead.

Why don't you read my testimony?
It seems no one here believes it at all ... maybe you would.
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[Yeshua1]

I have seen close-up and first-hand:
miracles, healings, demons cast out, all 9 of the spiritual power gifts.

Truly, sometimes even an immediate answer to urgent prayer can almost be seen as a miracle.

Sorry, I've not seen anyone raised from the dead.

Why don't you read my testimony?
It seems no one here believes it at all ... maybe you would.
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demons cast out of Christians?
healings verified by doctors?
Miracles of what kind?

Do you claim to have those giftings?

 

[Yeshua1]

Let's say between 100 and 1900, the Holy Spirit has not been welcome in 95+% of all churches.
Satan and man have seen to that.
I know you've heard the Holy Spirit is a perfect Gentleman.
Thus, He doesn't hang around where He is not welcome.

But, in these last of the last days, the Lord desires that He be made more readily available.
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the holy spirit is GOD, and he is everywhere, so how can puny men stop and hinder him from doing as he pleased!

maybe he was doing as he pleased,as i remember something going on called the Great reformation/Great Awakingse etcs FAR more important events than Azuza 1905, for at leasthe was involved in those other events!