Soteriology 102

Fun, fun, fun.
Election precedes faith, faith precedes regeneration aka the gift being salvation aka eternal life. The condtion for election is that it is unmerited. John 6:35-65, Matthew 7:21-23.

 

Van, thank you for directly addressing me and not addressing a boogeyman called "Calvinists."

I promise not to Snip...
God has chosen you...for salvation.
God has set you apart through sanctification by the Spirit.
God has set you apart by faith in the truth.

Do you see the connection?
This is all God's doing.

Is this a rewrite Van?

2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the first fruits to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth. To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Did I rewrite what God says?
Van, who is the author of faith?

Van, who is the author of faith?
Hebrews 12:2 gives you the answer, in case you don't know.

This boogeyman you call "Calvinism", where does he post and what has he rewitten?
Did I change scripture in my quotes? Did I "snip" the Bible or any of your words and then claim you rewrote the Bible?
When you change the word to Calvinist, do you really think the moderators don't see you are telling me that I am changing the very words of Holy Scripture? Do you think they are oblivious to your tactics?

I have addressed you directly. I thank you for giving me the same courtesy by directly addressing me.

 

Let me get this straight. According to your position the condition for a person to be saved is that they channel their salvation through their own, personal faith, which God either accepts or rejects.
What is the specific criterion that God has whereby he accepts or rejects a person's personal faith?

Please, just clarify my question and leave out your Calvinist boogeyman.

 

Jon,
As I see it, answering the underlined would result in another thread, and one in which I doubt I would participate...

Because it would make me the focus of the discussion and not God's words and His commands for us to edify one another with them, and with the Spirit that He has given to each of us as believers in Jesus Christ.

 

You seem to disregard what comes before Ephesians 2:8. Let us look:

But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

You cannot avoid what comes before.
"even when we were dead in our trespasses, (God) made us alive together with Christ."

Where is the condition, Van?

Please, stop snipping out what comes before verse 8. Doing such leads to misunderstanding.

 

Here is another question I asked you weeks ago to which you have yet to respond.
Did Christ die for those now in Perdition?

 

Van, you answered my question in #2. Thank you. You write:

"Did I say God accepts or rejects the faith of individuals? That is certainly what I meant."

You state that individual, personal faith of the individual, is what God either accepts or rejects.

Therefore, it seems you reject Hebrews 12:2, that Jesus is the author and finisher of faith.

 

Shame rests on you Van.
If you believe that Christ's sacrificial death ransomed everyone. Then it has to be asked along the same lines--Did Christ die for those in Perdition?

 

Van the victim is not a good move on your part. You are the one who habitually hurls insults left, right and center. You avoid questions that are relevant to the themes of these threads.
Tell you what, see if you can put a stop on using the word "Calvinists." You use it like a curse word. See if you are able to post without resorting to that tactic.

 

"From the found" you say? Instead of avoiding questions that are pertinent to the thread --answer them and you will gain some respectability.

 

Van, I am perfectly on point. I notice you, again, snip out the Bible. I add it back again because you cannot keep avoiding the scripture which clarifies and shows your error.
Ephesians 2:4-9
But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

 

Thank you. So again, I said IN THIS CONTEXT how does it mean by reason of. You did shoddy hermeneutic work by finding a lexicon that gives a definition that supports your view and inserted it into the passage even though that is not the usage of the word.

It ALSO means: Through: by the means of. This is the proper use of that word in this passage. not by reason of. No reputable scholar puts it as by reason of for this passage.