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SOULS DIE

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JFox1

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Originally posted by Claudia_T:
"The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23. While life is the inheritance of the righteous, death is the portion of the wicked. Moses declared to Israel: "I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil." Deuteronomy 30:15. The death referred to in these scriptures is not that pronounced upon Adam, for all mankind suffer the penalty of his transgression. It is "the second death" that is placed in contrast with everlasting life.

In consequence of Adam's sin, death passed upon the whole human race. All alike go down into the grave. And through the provisions of the plan of salvation, all are to be brought forth from their graves. "There shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust;" "for as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." Acts 24:15; I Corinthians 15:22. But a distinction is made between the two classes that are brought forth. "All that are in the graves shall hear His voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." John 5:28, 29. They who have been "accounted worthy" of the resurrection of life are "blessed and holy." "On such the second death hath no power." Revelation 20:6. But those who have not, through repentance and faith, secured pardon, must receive the penalty of transgression--"the wages of sin." They suffer punishment varying in duration and intensity, "according to their works," but finally ending in the second death. Since it is impossible for God, consistently with His justice and mercy, to save the sinner in his sins, He deprives him of the existence which his transgressions have forfeited and of which he has proved himself unworthy. Says an inspired writer: "Yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be." And another declares: "They shall be as though
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WOW! Ellen G. White sure misled a lot of people! :eek:

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Kamoroso

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1. David did not say 'The dead know nothing' That was Solomon.
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Ps 146:3-4 3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.
4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Ps 115:17 "17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence."

Surely if the dead were conscious, and in heaven they would be praising God. Here is more from David that contradicts what you believe.


Ps 37:20 20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

Ps 68:1-3 1 Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered: let them also that hate him flee before him.
2 As smoke is driven away, so drive them away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God.
3 But let the righteous be glad; let them rejoice before God: yea, let them exceedingly rejoice.

Ps 73:27 27 For, lo, they that are far from thee hall perish: thou hast destroyed all them that go a whoring from thee.

Ps 112:10 10 The wicked shall see it, and be grieved; he shall gnash with his teeth, and melt away: the desire of the wicked shall perish.


Bye for now. Y. b. in C. Keith
 
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JFox1

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Ellen G. White claimed that immortality of the soul is a Catholic teaching borrowed from paganism. Then why do the Eastern Orthodox churches teach there is a conscious afterlife? They reject the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.
 
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wopik

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"The Soul that sins, it shall DIE." - Ez. 18:4, 20.


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Ez. (Bible in Basic English)
18:20
The soul which does sin will be put to death:....


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Ez. (New Revised Standard Version)
18:20
The person who sins shall die.

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standingfirminChrist

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wopik, you keep posting the same verses over and over. They have been shown using other verses along with them to prove that they do not mean what you claim.

Get out of the rut.
 
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wopik

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The Soul that sins, it shall DIE." - Ez. 18:4, 20.


You don't believe God's Word.


"The Soul that sins, it shall DIE." - Ez. 18:4, 20.


Man became a living soul -- a living NEPHESH, who shall go back to the earth, from where he came:


You will eat bread by the sweat of your brow
until you return to the ground,
since you were taken from it.
For you are dust,
and you will return to dust." - Gen. 3:19
 
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DHK

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Originally posted by wopik:
The Soul that sins, it shall DIE." - Ez. 18:4, 20.


You don't believe God's Word.


"The Soul that sins, it shall DIE." - Ez. 18:4, 20.
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Who doesn't believe God's Word? You're on the wrong side of the fence. Go back and read my post. The word "soul" has a variety of meanings, the primary one is "a living creature" which is the one that is used in this verse. The soul (living creature or person) will die. There is not much that is hard to understand in that verse is there?
Let me explain it for you.
Wopik: Someday you will die.
DHK
 
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standingfirminChrist

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Can't get much plainer than that, DHK.

Unfortunately, some have spiritual stoppers in their ears and cannot hear the Word, nor can they see the truth for the spiritual blindfolds they choose to wear.
 
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wopik

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DHK

The word "soul" has a variety of meanings, the primary one is "a living creature" which is the one that is used in this verse. The soul (living creature or person) will die.
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That's what I've been saying all along.

What's your point.


STANDINGFIRM is the one who does not agree with that.
 
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standingfirminChrist

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The Body has a soul, wopik. Look at the account in 1 Kings 17:22 in the Old Testament...

The child's soul returned into him. It was separate from the body. The soul is referred to the body is some cases, and in some cases it is an entirely different entity altogether.

God breathed into man the breath of life. The soul is that which is living. God's breath will not die.
 
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wopik

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DHK moderator,


what do you think?


Does a nephesh (a living soul, man) have a soul (nephesh)?


Or is man (nephesh) a soul (nephesh) ??


Weigh in.
 
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DHK

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Originally posted by wopik:
those three things make up a whole human being.

In the NT, the soul simple means LIFE.
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That is not true:

psuche psoo-khay'

from 5594; breath, i.e. (by implication) spirit, abstractly or concretely (the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from 4151, which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from 2222, which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew 5315, 7307 and 2416):--heart (+ -ily), life, mind, soul, + us, + you.
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Luke 12:19 And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.

Who was the rich man talking to? He was talking to himself--thinking, using his mind otherwise known as the soul.
It is the spirit that communicates with God and lives on forever.
 
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wopik

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created great whales [sea creatures], and every living CREATURE [nephesh = "soul"] that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind . . ."

Genesis 1:21
 
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