Southern Baptist Convention

[Zaac]

How do the Boy Scouts "honor the belief's" of the local church?

Do they all become members?

Do they all sign they agree with the statement of faith and constitution?

Do they all have to be saved?

It is a matter of being yoked with unbelievers, and that is a problem in my view.

At most of the churches in our area that sponsor scouts, the boys' families are already members of the Church.

 

[Zaac]

When professing Christians say it's just another sin they help pave the way to cultural acceptance. I applaud the SBC to draw the line in the sand!

It IS just another sin. What paves the way to cultural acceptance is more and more folks getting tired of Christians going on about this sin as though others don't sin.

 

[Jedi Knight]

It IS just another sin. What paves the way to cultural acceptance is more and more folks getting tired of Christians going on about this sin as though others don't sin.

Says you and? Your double minded about this subject as in other post you trolled....no consistency.

 

[saturneptune]

First of all, the SBC has no authority over its member churches as to whether they allow the Boy Scouts to use facilites or not. Each church is autonomous. Had a presbytery issued the decree, all Presbyterian churches under its authority would have ceased the practice. In other words, what the SBC puts out is rather meaningless.

At first thought, I would think our church would not allow the BSA to use our building. However, one wonders if that is fair, since it is not the individual scout's fault what the BSA leadership decided. In our area, I would think the chances of a scout in that catagory would be near impossible in any given troop.

Throughout the years, the scouts have been a positive activity and tool for teens to develope the character as defined in the Scout Oath. I am not sure that a local church automatically banning the scouts from using its building without giving it thought and prayer is the best route. Does using the building give the impression that the local church is condoning homosexuality?

I think a more vital question than the building is would you let your child join the Boy Scouts? If you would, then you really do not have the right to complain about the building.

It is easy to see where the issue would become complex, and it shows what a mess we are in to have to even ponder such a question. Probably in the final analysis, it is best the Scouts use another building, to remove any appearance of endorsement, but honestly, it is a crying shame.

 

[preacher4truth]

It IS just another sin. What paves the way to cultural acceptance is more and more folks getting tired of Christians going on about this sin as though others don't sin.

Nonsense and totally ridiculous. The only thing that makes sin culturally acceptable is the depraved evil heart of mankind. Look at Sodom for instance. Wonder if they blamed the cultural acceptance of their depraved hearts and behaviors on Lot and his family? :wavey:

'It IS just another sin'

Really? What an attitude about sin that is. :type:

 

[Zaac]

Says you and?

Says GOD. So take it up with Him. You and those like you seem to be the ones always trying to make this into some special sin so that you can point your finger at someone and say "ooh you're the worst of the worst sinners".

Get over yourself and your prejudice. The homosexual offense is no worse than your own pride.

 

[Zaac]

Nonsense and totally ridiculous. The only thing that makes sin culturally acceptable is the depraved evil heart of mankind. Look at Sodom for instance. Wonder if they blamed the cultural acceptance of their depraved hearts and behaviors on Lot and his family? :wavey:

Must explain why the SBC and practically the whole country is okay with normalized heterosexual lust and adultery in everything.

The point to my other comment was that the more Christians hypocritically harp on this one sin as though it's worst than another, the more those not in the church seem to rise up to try and normalize it.

Our focus is always on an issue instead of just preaching God's truth.

Really? What an attitude about sin that is. :type:

In accordance with God's word, you break one, you've broken them all. So yes, my attitude is that it's just another sin in a line of sins that every one of us commits EVERY DAY.

so don't think less of your own sin than you obviously do.:type:

 

[Zaac]

First of all, the SBC has no authority over its member churches as to whether they allow the Boy Scouts to use facilites or not. Each church is autonomous. Had a presbytery issued the decree, all Presbyterian churches under its authority would have ceased the practice. In other words, what the SBC puts out is rather meaningless.

At first thought, I would think our church would not allow the BSA to use our building. However, one wonders if that is fair, since it is not the individual scout's fault what the BSA leadership decided. In our area, I would think the chances of a scout in that catagory would be near impossible in any given troop.

Throughout the years, the scouts have been a positive activity and tool for teens to develope the character as defined in the Scout Oath. I am not sure that a local church automatically banning the scouts from using its building without giving it thought and prayer is the best route. Does using the building give the impression that the local church is condoning homosexuality?

I think a more vital question than the building is would you let your child join the Boy Scouts? If you would, then you really do not have the right to complain about the building.

It is easy to see where the issue would become complex, and it shows what a mess we are in to have to even ponder such a question. Probably in the final analysis, it is best the Scouts use another building, to remove any appearance of endorsement, but honestly, it is a crying shame.

Totally agree saturneptune. Because our churches are autonomous, I just don't see them being forced by the Boy Scouts to accept anything that conflicts with God's word.

They sponsor the Scouts. The scouts don't sponsor them. And as the troops are made up mostly of kids from the Church and the community and hopefully with Church membersas the leadership, the Scouts should remain a positive influence over the young men and discipling them for Christ.

 

[Tom Bryant]

Must explain why the SBC and practically the whole country is okay with normalized heterosexual lust and adultery in everything.

The point to my other comment was that the more Christians hypocritically harp on this one sin as though it's worst than another, the more those not in the church seem to rise up to try and normalize it.

Our focus is always on an issue instead of just preaching God's truth.


In accordance with God's word, you break one, you've broken them all. So yes, my attitude is that it's just another sin in a line of sins that every one of us commits EVERY DAY.

so don't think less of your own sin than you obviously do.:type:

I understand what you are saying, but I am not sure where you get the idea that the SBC or any Bible believers are okay with heterosexual lust and adultery.

You are right to a point that all sins are equal, but God's Word does point out that certain sins were more serious and demanded a more harsh penalty. Paul told the church to "excommunicate" the man who was living with his step mother. But he didn't say to excommunicate the people in Philippians who were preaching Christ from the wrong motives.

Were they both sin? Yes. But they demanded a different response from the church. So all sins are equal in the sense that they all are an affront to God's holiness, but they are not the same in terms of our responses.

 

[Zaac]

I understand what you are saying, but I am not sure where you get the idea that the SBC or any Bible believers are okay with heterosexual lust and adultery.

I see every day what the church watches and what the church listens to and what the church wears.

It's been normalized and those in the church are right dead smack in the middle partaking of it.

You are right to a point that all sins are equal, but God's Word does point out that certain sins were more serious and demanded a more harsh penalty. Paul told the church to "excommunicate" the man who was living with his step mother. But he didn't say to excommunicate the people in Philippians who were preaching Christ from the wrong motives.

That's because of the consequences. The sin is still no worse than any other especially since God's word says that if you've broken one, you've broken them all.

Were they both sin? Yes. But they demanded a different response from the church. So all sins are equal in the sense that they all are an affront to God's holiness, but they are not the same in terms of our responses.

And as I've said before, if the church deemed things an affront non-hypocritically, the world probably wouldn't even notice.

But when the members of the church are letting their daughters run around with lil bitty shorts with their behinds hanging out...when the members of the church are watching the same adultery and heterosexual lust filled tv shows and movies...when the church members are reading the same adultery and heterosexual lust filled magazines...when the members of the church are listening to the same lewd music...and not making the same kind of stink that they do about everything homosexual, then the world will be inclined, just as it is to scoff at us and our hypocrisy and attempt to gather steam in their quest to normalize all manners of sin, sexual and otherwise.

How on earth do we dare cry homosexual unholiness while wallowing in heterosexual unholiness and not making the same fuss?

All I have to do is ask the majority what movies they have seen lately or what tv shows they watch and it's OBVIOUS the hypocrisy of how those in the church deal with heterosexual sin and homosexual sin.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Boy Scouting is on the way out in todays world anyway....just a matter of time unfortunately.

 

[Zaac]

Boy Scouting is on the way out in todays world anyway....just a matter of time unfortunately.

Really hadn't heard much about them the way that I did when I was a kid until all the gay stuff started.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Really hadn't heard much about them the way that I did when I was a kid until all the gay stuff started.

As a private orginization, they have the right to configure themselves any way they want to. In my day, it was common place for a boy to start as a cubscout & gradually work your way up & it was supported by churches (automatically).

Perhaps by allowing for Homosexuals, they feel they are walking lock step with todays world & this will infuse diversity which will bring forth increased membership.

I can tell you this.....when you compromise your stance on integrity & morality, that becomes a very slippery slope. I invite anyone who wants to travel to the NE, to come & take a look around.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Some SBC churches have their own version of the Boy and Girl scouts but I don't remember what it is called. That would be a better option.

And I do not agree that all sins are equal- but I won't hijack the thread. I'll start a new thread.

 

[Jedi Knight]

And I do not agree that all sins are equal- but I won't hijack the thread. I'll start a new thread.

Mexdeaf your solid as a rock I and do not consider you a troll whatsoever! Some just flame and cause division among the brethren to seem smart but fall flat. They feel more comfortable attacking believers than dealing with sin. Probably the "touchy freely" Christianity manifesting here.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Get over yourself and your prejudice. The homosexual offense is no worse than your own pride.

Your Crystal Light Christianity don't fly.

 

[Revmitchell]

Some SBC churches have their own version of the Boy and Girl scouts but I don't remember what it is called. That would be a better option.

It is called Royal Ambassadors

 

[Jedi Knight]

It is called Royal Ambassadors

Yep that's what he said on the phone when talked about an alternative.

 

[Mexdeaf]

It is called Royal Ambassadors

Thanks, that's it. One of the churches we work with uses it but I couldn't remember the name.

 

[ktn4eg]

Another alternative might be AWANA clubs.

---from a former (& now disgusted!) Boy Scout (Troop 461, Souderton PA)