All kidding aside Bob, you know what I mean :smilewinkgrin: Is this kinda crud resident in Reformed Baptist Churches? Do I need to do background checks before joining?
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All kidding aside Bob, you know what I mean :smilewinkgrin: Is this kinda crud resident in Reformed Baptist Churches? Do I need to do background checks before joining?
Dr. Bob, where did you get the idea Truman Dollar was involved in sodomy? He resigned his pulpit in Detroit due to "inappropriate conversations" with a woman in Kansas City when he was still pastoring there. And even then there was no evidence of adultery. The real issue was his attempt to integrate Temple Baptist Church with had a "no blacks" policy. He was also black listed by most of the BBF because he helped in the translation of the NKJV. In my opinion Truman Dollar was a sheep in wolf's clothing. 
You may retract your statement.
Exactly. The massage therapist reported the IFB preacher/college president/FBFI officer for his inappropriate behavior.
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Now I know TWO! :smilewinkgrin:
I have no problem with criticism, if it is put in the proper place. The entire point of this thread was to show that abuse happens in all types of churches and it is flat out wrong to label an entire "group" of churches based upon the few abusers that may exist in that group.
I understand that most people on this board aren't labeling IFB churches in such a way. I know it's only a few very vocal people that have an extreme hatred for anything IFB. I'll just continue to pray for them that their hatred would be taken away and that their eyes would be opened to the hateful and hurtful comments they are making.
Let me clarify--I was tired when I posted earlier & didn't express myself well.
If the point is, "this stuff can be anywhere," then I agree.
Unless I'm just hearing lopsided press on this stuff, though...I do think that by and large, SBC churches have done pretty much what they could to allow justice to be served.
It does seem like I've seen more cases in IFB circles where the perpetrator was defended, almost blindly, by followers. (the most extreme case I remember offhand was the Bob Gray cas
But then again...maybe it's that I'm just hearing about it more from that circle.
But I do stand by my assertion that in most of the OP examples, the churches handled it as best they could: Most did background checks that came back clean. Most had never heard anything that would have raised red flags before hand.
And unless MW can show me, I don't think one of therm--the most disturbing of the bunch--wasn't SBC anyway. At least, I couldn't find anything to indicate he was.
If I'm right, MW should retract that particular example.
If the point is, "this stuff can be anywhere," then I agree.
Unless I'm just hearing lopsided press on this stuff, though...I do think that by and large, SBC churches have done pretty much what they could to allow justice to be served.
It does seem like I've seen more cases in IFB circles where the perpetrator was defended, almost blindly, by followers. (the most extreme case I remember offhand was the Bob Gray cas
But then again...maybe it's that I'm just hearing about it more from that circle.
But I do stand by my assertion that in most of the OP examples, the churches handled it as best they could: Most did background checks that came back clean. Most had never heard anything that would have raised red flags before hand.
And unless MW can show me, I don't think one of therm--the most disturbing of the bunch--wasn't SBC anyway. At least, I couldn't find anything to indicate he was.
If I'm right, MW should retract that particular example.
EW,
here is a yet another Reformed Baptist example:
Los Angeles Daily News "Woman Details Alleged Abuse of Her as Girl"
Details of Pastor Torres's relationship to New Jersey Reformed Baptists (North Bergen and Montville).
here is a yet another Reformed Baptist example:
Los Angeles Daily News "Woman Details Alleged Abuse of Her as Girl"
Details of Pastor Torres's relationship to New Jersey Reformed Baptists (North Bergen and Montville).
Doc Cassidy - sadly Dollar (BBF guy, not George who was at Central Seminary) was a man whose preaching blessed my heart but it is fact that he was involved in a covert gay situation and actually was being blackmailed by his assistant pastor to keep it secret. And killed himself when it was exposed. Sordid case.
I thought we were not supposed to engage in rumor, malicious gossip and inuendo on this blog--anywhere for that matter.
Let he who is sinless cast the first rock.
We are reaping what we sowed in the past generations of repeat after me salvation. The churches are infiltrated by the unregenerated--some in high places. Nothing new, the mystery of iniquity was already working as the New Testament was being written. Indeed, there are many wolves dressed like sheep. Some even among the Right, Most Reverend, Masters of Theology.
Jesus' sheep do not follow wolves.
Father forgive us, we know not what we do.
Even so, come Lord Jesus.
Peace,
Bro. James
Let he who is sinless cast the first rock.
We are reaping what we sowed in the past generations of repeat after me salvation. The churches are infiltrated by the unregenerated--some in high places. Nothing new, the mystery of iniquity was already working as the New Testament was being written. Indeed, there are many wolves dressed like sheep. Some even among the Right, Most Reverend, Masters of Theology.
Jesus' sheep do not follow wolves.
Father forgive us, we know not what we do.
Even so, come Lord Jesus.
Peace,
Bro. James
glazer1972
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Truly tacky thread start.
Where did you get that information? It was his inappropriate conversations with a lady in Kansas City that was used to oust him from Detroit. He committed suicide in 1996, 8 years after leaving Temple Baptist. Can you point me to any documentation supporting this allegation?
Old Union Brother
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Bro James said:
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Matt,
Can you honestly tell me that you were led by God to start this thread? If you were not led by God that only leaves one other alternative, and being the IFB that you are you know what that is.
Can you honestly tell me that you were led by God to start this thread? If you were not led by God that only leaves one other alternative, and being the IFB that you are you know what that is.
John, I think you may be a bit confused. Matt was pointing out, in his inimitable way, that is hypocritical to only point out the sins of IFB while ignoring similar sins in other groups. Vile and fleshly conduct is endemic to mankind, not just IFBs.
John, I think you may be a bit confused. Matt was pointing out, in his inimitable way, that is hypocritical to only point out the sins of IFB while ignoring similar sins in other groups. Vile and fleshly conduct is endemic to mankind, not just IFBs.
Who ever suggested that sin was limited only to IFB?
No hatred at all, brother.. but when IFBs like Matt start defending your denomination... knowing the gross sins that many in that flavor of Baptists hide by being independent.. and therefore not answering to anyone... by starting a thread that slams other Baptists...what I said is true.
Notice Dr. Bob's list.. That speaks volumes
Hyles was a messenger of Satan. and so many of his "preacher boys"... which sounds creepy anyway!.. are too.
I sure wouldn't want to be called any man's "Preacher boy".....
You have a very real and very noticeable hatred Tim. Why can't you just admit that there are bad folks in every type of church and that broad brushing an entire group is a bad thing? Why is it hard for you to admit that broad brushing groups is bad?