IMO Adrian Rogers was the real "fixer."
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Southern Baptist slide???
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Getting into BLM should be a "wake up Call"
Seems that now the biggest battle/issue is not between liberal and conservative views on theology in SBC and other baptist churches, but between those who wish us to get into social causes like BLM, supporting anti slavery efforts, becoming now social crusaders!
George Antonios
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So many years later, J.Frank Norris was right to leave the while SB scene.
When does one move from being a moderate then to a liberal?
IMO the liberals are the ones seeking us to become involved in that.
He did not oppose their removal. He opposed the way some were acting about it.
yes, as they define being a good Christian as one into BLM and eqiality, not into the Gospel message!
For decades the moderates told the conservatives to stay for the sake of the Cooperative Program. As soon as it was apparent the moderates had lost control, they forsook that same Cooperative Program and abandoned ship.
Probably so but that is when it began
That is correct. His book
https://www.amazon.com/Hill-Which-Die-Southern-Baptists/dp/0805426345
A good read
Bailey Smith also did a tremendous amount of purging of the libs.
We need a new generation of fundamental firebrands in leadership. Today's leadership sickens me.
Pressler gives a pretty detailed play by play in his book
"Moderate" is a genteel title for liberal (modernist) theology employed by the SBC, since calling someone a "liberal" would imply saying they were not truly born again. Sadly, the "moderate" position today (those who have left the Convention and formed their own organization) IS that of extreme anti-biblical "liberalism". I seriously question the eternal salvation of anyone who denies fundamental biblical truth.
Demonstrated by chart from 2013 by SBC (next post)
I was a Moderate Baptist before being saved. There is almost no difference. Liberals and Moderates interpret the bible almost the same. The term 'moderate' is a ruse.
Chart produced by SEBTS President, Danny Akin
CONSERVATIVES:
Theologically:
*Affirm the inerrancy of the Bible. Find no errors in the autographs philosophically, theologically, scientifically or historically.
*Bible is the Word of God.
*Emphasize the necessity of theological integrity.
*All are creationists (though not all are “young earthers”).
*All affirm soteriological exclusivism (people are saved only through faith in Christ).
*Affirms Scripture as the foundational source of religious spiritual authority.
*Affirm congregationalism with strong pastoral authority/leadership.
*Oppose women as pastors: (complementarians in the home/church).
*View autonomy as a precious check against both hierarchicalism and connectionalism.
*Affirm the eternal continuation of both heaven and hell.
*See the priesthood of all believers as guaranteeing direct access to God for all believers and as a doctrine of responsibility.
*Discover no contradictions or internal inconsistencies in the Bible when it is properly interpreted.
*Affirm historical-grammatical interpretation.
*Find no mythological elements in Scripture.
*Emphasize the transcendent truth of Scripture.
Moral:
*All are pro-life.
*All see homosexuality/lesbianism as sin and a choice of lifestyle.
Political:
*Most tend toward the Republican party (political conservatism).
*Emphasize peacemaking together with a strong military.
*Advocate separation of church and state to the extent that government neither establishes religion nor interferes with its practice.
Denominational:
*Identifies the other as “moderates,” “liberals,” or “neo-orthodox.”
*View creeds and confessions instruments of doctrinal accountability though always subject to Scripture.
*Believe that the institutions and agencies of a denomination should operate with confessional integrity.
*Intensely evangelistic and missionary.
*Are more comfortable in cooperative ventures with evangelical groups like IVF, Campus Crusade, Promise Keepers and Wycliffe Translators.
MODERATES
Theological:
*Affirm the authority (but not inerrancy) of the Bible in matters of salvation. Find some errors in areas such as science and history.
*Bible contains the Word of God.
*Emphasizes the necessity of theological diversity.
*Many are theistic evolutionists.
*A number affirm soteriological inclusivism (some in other religions may be saved).
*Affirms Scripture AND reason, experience, and tradition as sources of religious/spiritual authority.
*Affirm congregationalism with strong congregational authority and democratic process.
*Affirm women as pastors: (egalitarians in the home/church).
*View autonomy as the right of every church to do or believe what it wishes and not have its fellowship questioned associationally or denominationally.
*Some embrace the idea of the annihilations of the wicked.
*See the priesthood of all believers as a doctrine which guarantees the right of every individual to interpret Scripture as he/she sees fit
*Discover contradictions and internal inconsistencies in the Bible.
*Affirm historical-critical interpretation.
*Open to mythological elements in Scripture.
*See much of the Bible as culturally conditional.
Moral:
*A number are pro-choice.
*Some see homosexuality/lesbianism as an acceptable lifestyle and a pre-disposed and unavoidable orientation.
Political:
*Most tend toward the Democratic party (political left).
*Emphasize peacemaking with many affirming pacifism.
*Advocate separation of church and state to the extent that the church has little impact in and through government.
Denominational:
*Identifies the other as “fundamentalists.”
*View creeds and confessions as potentially inappropriate intrusions upon the conscious of the individual believer.
*Believe that the institutions and agencies of a denomination should operate with limited or no confessional restraint.
*Inclined more toward “social ministries.”
*Are more comfortable in cooperative ventures with groups like the CBF, BJC, and mainline denominations.
CONSERVATIVES:
Theologically:
*Affirm the inerrancy of the Bible. Find no errors in the autographs philosophically, theologically, scientifically or historically.
*Bible is the Word of God.
*Emphasize the necessity of theological integrity.
*All are creationists (though not all are “young earthers”).
*All affirm soteriological exclusivism (people are saved only through faith in Christ).
*Affirms Scripture as the foundational source of religious spiritual authority.
*Affirm congregationalism with strong pastoral authority/leadership.
*Oppose women as pastors: (complementarians in the home/church).
*View autonomy as a precious check against both hierarchicalism and connectionalism.
*Affirm the eternal continuation of both heaven and hell.
*See the priesthood of all believers as guaranteeing direct access to God for all believers and as a doctrine of responsibility.
*Discover no contradictions or internal inconsistencies in the Bible when it is properly interpreted.
*Affirm historical-grammatical interpretation.
*Find no mythological elements in Scripture.
*Emphasize the transcendent truth of Scripture.
Moral:
*All are pro-life.
*All see homosexuality/lesbianism as sin and a choice of lifestyle.
Political:
*Most tend toward the Republican party (political conservatism).
*Emphasize peacemaking together with a strong military.
*Advocate separation of church and state to the extent that government neither establishes religion nor interferes with its practice.
Denominational:
*Identifies the other as “moderates,” “liberals,” or “neo-orthodox.”
*View creeds and confessions instruments of doctrinal accountability though always subject to Scripture.
*Believe that the institutions and agencies of a denomination should operate with confessional integrity.
*Intensely evangelistic and missionary.
*Are more comfortable in cooperative ventures with evangelical groups like IVF, Campus Crusade, Promise Keepers and Wycliffe Translators.
MODERATES
Theological:
*Affirm the authority (but not inerrancy) of the Bible in matters of salvation. Find some errors in areas such as science and history.
*Bible contains the Word of God.
*Emphasizes the necessity of theological diversity.
*Many are theistic evolutionists.
*A number affirm soteriological inclusivism (some in other religions may be saved).
*Affirms Scripture AND reason, experience, and tradition as sources of religious/spiritual authority.
*Affirm congregationalism with strong congregational authority and democratic process.
*Affirm women as pastors: (egalitarians in the home/church).
*View autonomy as the right of every church to do or believe what it wishes and not have its fellowship questioned associationally or denominationally.
*Some embrace the idea of the annihilations of the wicked.
*See the priesthood of all believers as a doctrine which guarantees the right of every individual to interpret Scripture as he/she sees fit
*Discover contradictions and internal inconsistencies in the Bible.
*Affirm historical-critical interpretation.
*Open to mythological elements in Scripture.
*See much of the Bible as culturally conditional.
Moral:
*A number are pro-choice.
*Some see homosexuality/lesbianism as an acceptable lifestyle and a pre-disposed and unavoidable orientation.
Political:
*Most tend toward the Democratic party (political left).
*Emphasize peacemaking with many affirming pacifism.
*Advocate separation of church and state to the extent that the church has little impact in and through government.
Denominational:
*Identifies the other as “fundamentalists.”
*View creeds and confessions as potentially inappropriate intrusions upon the conscious of the individual believer.
*Believe that the institutions and agencies of a denomination should operate with limited or no confessional restraint.
*Inclined more toward “social ministries.”
*Are more comfortable in cooperative ventures with groups like the CBF, BJC, and mainline denominations.
I was a Moderate Baptist before being saved. I would be amazed if any of those at a Moderate seminary I attended were saved. There is almost no difference. Liberals and Moderates interpret the bible almost the same. Moderates reject conservative hermeneutics and conservative biblical studies. The fight changed. Also, the term 'moderate is a ruse.
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