Southern Baptists Call Off the Culture War

[Revmitchell]

Yes, we do have missionaries around the globe. We also have strong, godly churches. That part is good (and is why I have been Southern Baptist for the past 40 years). I haven't left the SBC. It's leaving me.

We are considering designating funds to the state and local association only. We will not be a part of funding the #metoo and social justice movements which are currently being pushed.

 

[JonC]

We are considering designating funds to the state and local association only. We will not be a part of funding the #metoo and social justice movements which are currently being pushed.

We are doing the same (primarily the local association)

 

[Aaron]

Except they're not really free, are they? They're beholden to the Big Bosses. And that's capitalism...and it ain't Christian

Well, instead of engaging your straw men, let's start with something more basic.

Marriage.

What will a government aligned with Christian principles say about marriage? What do you say the government's position should be?

 

[Rob_BW]

The conservative ways have been tried for many decades and have found wanting; one can read about their results in the pages of Mr Dickens' novels. Private charity on its own, while all very noble and worthy, doesn't work

Working class people today have access to goods beyond what was available to even royalty in Dickens' day. Cars, televisions, air conditioning, fresh fruit brought to markets form the other side of the world...

Thank capitalism.

 

[Yeshua1]

Is that the Flint whose Republican administration allowed the water supply to be poisoned?

Nope, the

Well, instead of engaging your straw men, let's start with something more basic.

Marriage.

What will a government aligned with Christian principles say about marriage? What do you say the government's position should be?

Jesus stated it: 1 man and 1 woman!

 

[Rob_BW]

We are doing the same (primarily the local association)

My problem is the seminaries. NC has Southeastern, and Campbell University, which is in association with the state convention. But Campbell's Divinity School is trending liberal, going the way of Wake Forrest's Divinity School, which has gone of the rails.

 

[Yeshua1]

Working class people today have access to goods beyond what was available to even royalty in Dickens' day. Cars, televisions, air conditioning, fresh fruit brought to markets form the other side of the world...

Thank capitalism.

in some ways. "Greed is good," as the desire to make profits and earn wealth allows for innovations in tech, and quicker response than govt allows such asin socialism, like Dems want us to be under!

 

[Matt Black]

Well, instead of engaging your straw men, let's start with something more basic.

Marriage.

What will a government aligned with Christian principles say about marriage? What do you say the government's position should be?

A government truly aligned with Christian principles about marriage would forbid divorce except in extenuating circumstances. Now if you can point me.to a GOP platform that endorses that, I'm all ears.

 

[rsr]

That said, it seems to me that the SBC has lost its usefulness. I suspect it is not that the SBC needs to do something, but rather that it is grown too large and is trying to "do" too much beyond its original charter.

It has, in fact, attempted to marginalize everyone who did not agree with the theology and politics (a lethal combination there) of the Resurgence, and now the old guard is getting kicked in the teeth by the inevitable generational change. The younger pastors have for many years sought to distance themselves from denominationalism, and the old guard figured the young pups would eventually come around to the denominationalism the old guard hated when it was on the outside but loves when it's in control of the levers of power. Imagine that.

The SBC will be changing. I hope the new folks have enough sense to focus on its only real rallying point — cooperative support of missions. The SBC was founded with an eye to becoming a true denomination, but it never really became that until the Cooperative Program was established. But that was on the basis not of common theology but of common desire to send missionaries. The Cooperative Program is the linchpin of the denomination: Southern Baptist poobahs cannot compel churches to contribute (although they may try) and without it there is no Southern Baptist Convention as such.

 

[Aaron]

A government truly aligned with Christian principles about marriage would forbid divorce except in extenuating circumstances. Now if you can point me.to a GOP platform that endorses that, I'm all ears.

How would said government define marriage? One man and one woman? Or gay marriage (so called)?

 

[Matt Black]

You haven't answered my point yet

 

[Aaron]

You haven't answered my point yet

And you're avoiding the question.

You're professed love for the poor is rhetoric only, like that of Judas. It isn't the poor you love. It's yourself. If you really are zealous for the doctrines of Christ and how the state will wield the sword in its enforcement thereof, you will be as zealous for marriage...it's definition, and it's loathing of Sodom.

See ya.

 

[JonC]

It has, in fact, attempted to marginalize everyone who did not agree with the theology and politics (a lethal combination there) of the Resurgence, and now the old guard is getting kicked in the teeth by the inevitable generational change. The younger pastors have for many years sought to distance themselves from denominationalism, and the old guard figured the young pups would eventually come around to the denominationalism the old guard hated when it was on the outside but loves when it's in control of the levers of power. Imagine that.

The SBC will be changing. I hope the new folks have enough sense to focus on its only real rallying point — cooperative support of missions. The SBC was founded with an eye to becoming a true denomination, but it never really became that until the Cooperative Program was established. But that was on the basis not of common theology but of common desire to send missionaries. The Cooperative Program is the linchpin of the denomination: Southern Baptist poobahs cannot compel churches to contribute (although they may try) and without it there is no Southern Baptist Convention as such.

The Convention shows the hazards of extending a para-church organization nationwide. I see the value of the SBC to be in more local associations (perhaps state, but probably the county associations). The reason I say this is twofold. First, while the SBC has proven there is value in cooperative missions this focus has become almost secondary to the SBC as a global body. I believe it consumes too much resources that could be used in more effective ways towards reaching people with the gospel of Christ. Second, at a national level the SBC has more of a tendency to loose contact with the churches which compose its organization. In addition, the local churches are not involved (?...there is probably a better way of saying this) in the mission activities other than monetary donations.

 

[Revmitchell]

The Convention shows the hazards of extending a para-church organization nationwide. I see the value of the SBC to be in more local associations (perhaps state, but probably the county associations). The reason I say this is twofold. First, while the SBC has proven there is value in cooperative missions this focus has become almost secondary to the SBC as a global body. I believe it consumes too much resources that could be used in more effective ways towards reaching people with the gospel of Christ. Second, at a national level the SBC has more of a tendency to loose contact with the churches which compose its organization. In addition, the local churches are not involved (?...there is probably a better way of saying this) in the mission activities other than monetary donations.

There is not a better way. No one does missions better than the SBC.

 

[JonC]

There is not a better way. No one does missions better than the SBC.

Even if this is true, it does not mean that the SBC couldn't do things better. The way other Christian's do missions is not our standard to exceed.

 

[Joh]

I wonder if those are the same guys who don't welcome unsaved people and say that God hates everyone ? The gospel is to be shared with everyone not just the saved. Below is a picture of my lady's dad (my dad in law) Hilario G. Gonzales when he was around my age (he's the one holding the sign) and he's the most devoted man I met and you know what he did ? He shared the gospel with everyone even on the ship he worked on.

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[Joh]

I wonder if those are the same guys who don't welcome unsaved people and say that God hates everyone ? The gospel is to be shared with everyone not just the saved. Below is a picture of my lady's dad (my dad in law) Hilario G. Gonzales when he was around my age (he's the one holding the sign) and he's the most devoted man I met and you know what he did ? He shared the gospel with everyone even on the ship he worked on.

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And yes he was a Baptist and his devotion and willingness to show people the path and teach them about Christ is what God used to lead me into becoming one.

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[Joh]

Jesus said that we will always have the poor with us which means that no system can be 100% fair.

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[Matt Black]

And you're avoiding the question.

You're professed love for the poor is rhetoric only, like that of Judas. It isn't the poor you love. It's yourself. If you really are zealous for the doctrines of Christ and how the state will wield the sword in its enforcement thereof, you will be as zealous for marriage...it's definition, and it's loathing of Sodom.

See ya.

You couldn't be more wrong about me.

And you still are unable to answer my point

 

[Aaron]

You couldn't be more wrong about me.

And you still are unable to answer my point

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