Southwestern adopts statement asserting male headship

[Havensdad]

See this, this right here is why people need to take a moment to be respectful of others.

You don't know the man, probably have never read the man, nor understand the man's theology. You have no clue yet you are happy to make backwards pronouncements upon his life and ministry.

I am not talking about this particular man, but about a man that believes those things which Baptist believer has posted.

You clearly have no idea what heresy means. Hopefully in your time at Liberty you will learn. Annihalationism is not a heresy.

Lol. Your so funny..

According to nearly every book on theology that own, which is substantial, heresy is any theological position which is denied by orthodox Protestant Christianity. This includes annihilationism.

Heresy is different than "damnable" heresy.

You may disagree with it, and frankly you probably don't understand the finer points of the theology, but it doesn't meet the Church's definition of heresy.

I understand it well enough to know that it is wrong. I do not appreciate the attacks against my intelligence. Attack my position; please refrain from attacking my person.

Why is it so cursedly difficult for people to be charitable around here?

Yeah, because scripture always speaks of how we should put up with false doctrine..

Why is it so cursedly difficult for people to obey scripture?

 

[preachinjesus]

I am not talking about this particular man, but about a man that believes those things which Baptist believer has posted.

You called his character into question in a previous post. You believe that annihalitionism is heresy, Dr. Ellis believed in annihilationism. Ergo...

According to nearly every book on theology that own, which is substantial, heresy is any theological position which is denied by orthodox Protestant Christianity. This includes annihilationism.

No this is a poor definition, by trying to make the distinction there is "heresy" and there is "damnable heresy" is not wise. If you believe it is false teaching, that is fine. But you can't call it heresy of any kind. The Church, historically, has not made the distinction between the two kinds in any way that is helpful.

Hersy is the denial of the essential elements of orthodox Christianity. It includes the Trinity, deity of Christ, virgin birth, sinless life, death and resurrection, and second coming.

I understand it well enough to know that it is wrong. I do not appreciate the attacks against my intelligence. Attack my position; please refrain from attacking my person.

That wasn't an attack on your person. I simply said you probably don't understand the position. It is because you haven't read thoroughly not because you're an idiot. I don't think you're an idiot. I believe you are misinformed in this area.

Yeah, because scripture always speaks of how we should put up with false doctrine..

Why is it so cursedly difficult for people to obey scripture?

Annihalationism isn't a false doctrine and reports of it being so should be reconsidered. It is simply a view of what happens after we die. Dr. Ellis' view, as I talked with him about it, is more complicated than just saying "Oh he's an annihilationist and a heretic." Many profound Christian theologians have held annihilationism throughout the years, many of them have contributed mightily to the corpus of thought for the Church.

The cursedly difficult thing here is that we can't hear our vocal inflections through the keyboards. One of the great limitations of our communication. Be sure I am not lambasting you or yelling but simply speaking with as much conviction as you hold.

 

[Havensdad]

You called his character into question in a previous post. You believe that annihalitionism is heresy, Dr. Ellis believed in annihilationism. Ergo...

A person can have an impeccable character, yet be a heretic. I am not calling his character into question. I am calling his doctrine, and the suitability of that doctrine for a Southern Baptist funded church, into question.

No this is a poor definition, by trying to make the distinction there is "heresy" and there is "damnable heresy" is not wise. If you believe it is false teaching, that is fine. But you can't call it heresy of any kind. The Church, historically, has not made the distinction between the two kinds in any way that is helpful.

Hersy is the denial of the essential elements of orthodox Christianity. It includes the Trinity, deity of Christ, virgin birth, sinless life, death and resurrection, and second coming.

No, it is the proper definition.

Harpers Bible dictionary:
" deviation from the accepted teaching or practice of the dominant Christian community"

Tyndale:
"A sectarian group or teaching that deviates from the norm."

Annihalationism is indeed heresy.

That wasn't an attack on your person. I simply said you probably don't understand the position. It is because you haven't read thoroughly not because you're an idiot. I don't think you're an idiot. I believe you are misinformed in this area.

I know what annihalationism is. It directly contradicts scripture, the BF & M, and has no place in the beliefs of a Southern Baptist Seminary professor. There are too many unemployed, or poorly employed Southern Baptist professors...

Annihalationism isn't a false doctrine and reports of it being so should be reconsidered. It is simply a view of what happens after we die. Dr. Ellis' view, as I talked with him about it, is more complicated than just saying "Oh he's an annihilationist and a heretic." Many profound Christian theologians have held annihilationism throughout the years, many of them have contributed mightily to the corpus of thought for the Church.

It is indeed a false teaching, and heresy.

 

[TomVols]

We are way off topic and we've gotten into a rather strident debate. We've had one warning so far about "mudslinging" which has gone unheeded.
Fellowship forums have slight lattitude when delving into debate/discussion. This isn't just a place to sing choruses. However, this is never an appropriate place for attacks and for rancor. We can discuss merits in ways that are more in tone with fellowship than this.


Therefore......

Reprise the theme song and roll the credits.....