Sovereign in Salvation

There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death.

I'll take scripture poured over and studied for hours over "personal experience" EVERY SINGLE TIME.

You've just summed up what you depend on and your way of studying in two words.. personal experience. What a sad commentary.


Scripture defines the human condition and actions.

Human condition does not define Scripture...

 

The scriptural definition of the human condition is worthless unless you view it from the human viewpoint which one gains from experience!

The word of God is Gods word to man! Not, man's word to God!

 

rc;

So are you saying you have no personal experince with Christ?

It is by personal experince that we know that the scriptures are truth. Faith is the hope for the unseen. Belief is the knowing by personal experince. The seeing of truth spiritually with a live spirit. Are you sure you don't believe in what you claim to know by experince. If just book learning is all you believe in then you don't really believe it because you haven't experinced it You cannot know what you haven't learned by experince.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike

 

Hi Old regular;

Since when is it against the rules to ask for clarification of a statement?. Accuusing others falsley is against the rules. Are you accusing me?
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike

 

Greetings OldRegular.

Touche.

johnp.

 

Hi Old regular;
You quoted this and grined. a one verse charlie

What about?
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
Since the gospel is revealed to all.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Sort of blows your claim out of the water.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us all;
Mike

 

God hath revealed them unto us

Since the gospel is revealed to all.

It says to US ILL not ALL... stop changing the text !!

 

And Romans 1 God revealed Himself not HIS PLAN FOR SALVATION!!

If you continue you will see what NATURAL man does with the revelation given to him ... He sticks it to God by worshipping the creation !! This only proves MORE how depraved and evil man is. It only proves Rom 3 more and 1 Cor 2 MORE... remember scripture can not be broken, it is systematic. You continually ignore texts like Rom 3 and 1 Cor 2 by thowing more pretext and them and thinking they mean anything... and they don't.

 

Hi OLd regular;
Thankyou for posting Jn. 3:17-20 It proves that Christ came to save everyone who believes and not just some special elect.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike

 

I agree. That is the reason I like the following passage:

1Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. </font>[/QUOTE]I like that passage too! But how does a natural man become a spiritual man? By 'submission only', Not by 'capture'.
Regeneration before belief is Capture!
Belief then regeneration is Submission!

Regeneration before belief is "brainwashing"
Belief then regeneration is willful change. All of scriptures tell us what pleases God is our willingness to believe and to submit to His will!

 

I like that passage too! But how does a natural man become a spiritual man? By 'submission only'.

What you just said completely contradicts 1 Cor 2.14.

You can't be given a statement " black THEN white" and say "See... white then black !" That's what you are doing...

Jeremiah 13:23 23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard his spots? Then also you can do good who are accustomed to do evil.

The whole point of this passage is showing that a man CAN NOT change his evil ways! God has to do the work, Ezek 36.26. God HAS to change the HEART. I man with a evil heart will only choose evil things, that's his nature. Why is that so difficult to understand? It wasn't for the apostles who taught our church fathers who made catechisms which state these things. You are going against the church and those who lead it (fathers and apostles).

 

ESV Job 23:13 But he is unchangeable,(1 )and who can turn him back? What he desires, that he does.
ESV Isaiah 14:24 The LORD of hosts has sworn: "As I have planned, so shall it be, and as I have purposed, so shall it stand
ESV Isaiah 14:27 For the LORD of hosts has purposed, and who will annul it? His hand is stretched out, and who will turn it back?

ESV Proverbs 19:21 Many are the plans in the mind of a man, but it is the purpose of the LORD that will stand.

ESV Isaiah 46:10 declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, 'My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,

God's purpose will be accomplished. If He purposed you to be saved, you will be saved. If he puposed you not to believe you will not believe.

 

Really Your problem is then that great big "IF" You see that "If" is what you haven't proven to be true. It's still a big old "IF".
What you don't see is that we are all still clay in God's hand.
Jer 18:6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
I encourage you to go read the whole chapter of what ever verse I post.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us all;
Mike

 

The whole point is of the text is the SOVERIEGNTY of God. HE will do with the clay as HE pleases. Thanks for making my point.
If HE creates you for His glory in Heaven, He will. If HE creates you for His glory in damnation, He will. They clay NEVER has a say in what the potter does.

 

rc;
From the rest of the story that you didn't read as instructed;
Jer 18:8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike

 

rc;
God doesn't have any Sovereignty according to Calvinist thinking. Calvinism claims it but the claim that even He can't change His own plans. Is making a plan more powerful than God.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike