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What Baptist Believer said was "I lumped him in because he BRAGGED about sexually assaulting women and it was captured on tape."
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Spare Us Your Outrage Over Roy Moore If You Put An Alleged Rapist In The White House
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What Baptist Believer said was "I lumped him in because he BRAGGED about sexually assaulting women and it was captured on tape."
You are misquoting me (another false accusation). I wrote:
I lumped him in because he BRAGGED about sexually assaulting women and it was captured on tape. Many people - including Christians here - dismissed it as "locker room talk", assuming that I was offended by the P-word. As my wife put it, the most offensive word was "grab." President Trump has not denied that the tape is him. Now it is possible that Trump simply lied about it (as he is prone to do) and was trying to impress Billy Bush, but what kind of person lies about committing sexual assault and thinks that is impressive?
The evidence is Mr. Trump's own words:
After Trump spins a lewd anecdote of trying to f--- a married woman, Trump and Bush spot the woman they are going to meet:
Trump: Yeah, that's her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know, I'm automatically attracted to beautiful - I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
Bush: Whatever you want.
Trump: Grab 'em by the p----. You can do anything.
He freely admits he just starts kissing them, he doesn't wait, and assumes that he can do anything because he is a "star."
By the way, you've made plenty of false accusations about me, even in this thread. I would be careful about claiming others are spreading false accusations when you so happily do it.
Which was false. He never bragged about assaulting women. This is what we call a "false accusation." Kind of like when you were floating phony rape stories about Trump.
Yes, Trump bragged about what women would let him do (highlighted above). I admit he said that and don't defend him on that.
You claimed, however, he did things against their will. You accused him of assault. That is very different from what Trump actually said. Can you substantiate this claim? If you can't you are no better than any other false accuser.
Like when you are floating phony rape stories about Roy Moore? Just yesterday.
Look in the mirror if you want to see a false accuser.
Called your bluff, got an insult. No surprise.
I've reported what's on the news. Credible allegations. I believe Clinton's accusers also. You floated a story about Trump even the MSM wouldn't report. If a story is already out there, you can't really float it, now can you?
Just give it up. My story was quoted from a news source, and there were many of them. Unless you're going to say that Politico is not MSM?
Woman suing Trump over alleged teen rape drops suit, again
You conveniently ignore that he began that brag with "I just start kissing them... Just kiss. I don't even wait." That sets the context for the rest. You are so carefully trying to parse what he said that you remind me of Bill Clinton arguing over the meaning of the word, "is." Bill Clinton was/is a sexual harasser and possibly an assaulter/rapist, not matter how hard his political allies tried to cover for him with word play. You are trying to do the same thing for your political ally and it is just as wrong. Or do you think that Clinton was innocent of all charges?
When you claim to do "just start" doing things, including kissing and grabbing genitals, then they don't have time to consent. How would he know "their will?" Apparently he just assumes that women want to be fondled by him.
Yet another false accusation by you. I accused him of BRAGGING about assaulting women, because he did.
I can't substantiate your lie.
You are the false accuser. It's a nice tactic that you learned from your buddy President Trump. When there is something substantial on the table and people have evidence, start making accusations to try to divert attention. Keep that up and you are going to be twice the son of hell as he is.
Not an insult, a fact. I don't waste my time and degrade myself with insults.
Right, but you said he kissed them against their will. Where is your evidence for this? He said they were willing. He was very rich and a celebrity back in the day, and had women galore after him. Very common among celebs. You can make a case against his lifestyle back then.
But you have accused him of doing things to women against their will. That is very different. Where is your evidence?
LOL! Yes politico reported there was a very unsubstantiated rape claim against Trump. Funny when you brought it up you left out those details.
Subsequent news reports raised doubts about who filed the suit. Johnson claimed she had just $300 in assets and that she was living at a home in Twentynine Palms, California, but Radar Online reported neighbors said the home had been foreclosed upon and vacant since its owner died last year.
U.S. District Court Judge Dolly Gee dismissed that case in May, ruling that Johnson's complaint didn't raise valid claims under federal law. Gee, an appointee of President Barack Obama, noted that the suit cited a criminal statute that doesn't give rise to civil damages and that the civil statute Johnson cited only applies to actions based on "race-based or class-based animus."
Another version of the suit was filed in federal court in June, but withdrawn in September after apparently never being served on the defendants.
The case was refiled later that month.
The second and third iterations of the complaint accused Trump of only a single act of rape, but said he had "sexual contact" with the accuser on three other occasions. A declaration from an anonymous witness attached to the later suits continued to accuse Trump of four acts of rape or sexual assault.
A lawyer for Epstein declined to the comment on the lawsuits.
About a decade ago, Epstein came under investigation by local and federal authorities near his Palm Beach, Florida, home over allegations that he solicited underage girls to have sex with him at that residence and another on an island he owned in the U.S. Virgin Islands.
Epstein pleaded guilty in June 2008 to two state felony charges relating to prostitution and was sentenced to 18 months in jail. He served only 13 months before being released but was required to register as a sex offender.
U.S. District Court Judge Dolly Gee dismissed that case in May, ruling that Johnson's complaint didn't raise valid claims under federal law. Gee, an appointee of President Barack Obama, noted that the suit cited a criminal statute that doesn't give rise to civil damages and that the civil statute Johnson cited only applies to actions based on "race-based or class-based animus."
Another version of the suit was filed in federal court in June, but withdrawn in September after apparently never being served on the defendants.
The case was refiled later that month.
The second and third iterations of the complaint accused Trump of only a single act of rape, but said he had "sexual contact" with the accuser on three other occasions. A declaration from an anonymous witness attached to the later suits continued to accuse Trump of four acts of rape or sexual assault.
A lawyer for Epstein declined to the comment on the lawsuits.
About a decade ago, Epstein came under investigation by local and federal authorities near his Palm Beach, Florida, home over allegations that he solicited underage girls to have sex with him at that residence and another on an island he owned in the U.S. Virgin Islands.
Epstein pleaded guilty in June 2008 to two state felony charges relating to prostitution and was sentenced to 18 months in jail. He served only 13 months before being released but was required to register as a sex offender.
You are the one writing "against their will," not me. Trump assumed consent and just did it.
His own words.
How would he know? He didn't ask. He bragged that he just starting kissing them and grabbing their genitals.
Except it is not.
Your defense of him assumes that women are morally loose around celebrities. Most of the women I know, although not all, would not appreciate being kissed or grabbed by the genitals without permission or any kind of pre-existing intimate relationship. This is not like some sort of situation where a man and woman have known each other for even a short time, feel attraction and spontaneously kiss, or even get more intimate. This is Trump bragging about "moving on" women "like a b----" and assuming he has the right because he has a measure of fame.
That fact that you assume women generally enjoy this behavior is quite telling.
Where is your evidence that women appreciate this behavior?
Perhaps some of the fine ladies of Baptist Board will vouch for you? As I recall, when these allegations came out, they were livid.
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Your memory is failing you again. Not surprised.
Compare this with your statement earlier.
So now you've gone from bragging about assaulting women (which assumes against their will) to assuming consent.
So where has Trump admitted to "assuming consent"? From what i heard, he said they were willing. And I don't know of any accusations to the contrary. So where is the evidence for your accusation. You know, bearing false witness is also a pretty serious sin.
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Absolutely.
Wow. You are clearly delusional if you think what he said is even close to okay.
Some are far worse than others and trump is the worst. Supporting a totally immoral man for president has done terrific damage to Christ's Church.
They might not give the details for 30 years, but the general fact is usually known. The time for this is not last minute (after ballot is set) on the eve of a political election.