I never had any replies on what I wrote earlier last week. So I thought I would make it a new topic.
Cor:14
Lets break it down
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1. Follow * after charity, and desire * spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy *
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He says desire spiritual gifts, but it is better to prophesy,
we are getting ready to find out why in the next verse
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2. For he that speaketh * in an unknown tongue speaketh * not unto men,but unto God: for no man understandeth * him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh * mysteries
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He that speaks in an UNKNOWN tongue speaks not unto Man, but UNTO GOD. But he speaks Mysteries.
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3. But he that prophesieth * speaketh * unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
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But Prophesing is going to speak directly to someone or the church for edification
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4. He that speaketh * in an unknown tongue edifieth * himself; but he that prophesieth * edifieth * the church
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He says here that if you speak in an unknown tongue you edify your self(Is there anything there about saying not to do it? What is wrong about getting edified?) But if you prophesy you edify the church.(meaning everyone gets something out of it)
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5. I would * that ye all spake * with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied * : for greater is he that prophesieth * than he that speaketh * with tongues, except he interpret * , that the church may receive * edifying.
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Paul says he wishes the everyone of you spoke in tongues, But I would rather that you prophsy. B/c if you prophsy you are greater than he that speaks in an unknown tongue EXCEPT or UNLESS someone interprets b/c then it will edify the chruch.
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6. Now, brethren, if I come * unto you speaking * with tongues, what shall I profit * you,except I shall speak * to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
7. And even things without life giving * sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give * a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known * what is piped * or harped * ?
8. For if the trumpet give * an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself * to the battle?
9. So likewise ye, except ye utter * by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known * what is spoken * ? for ye shall * speak * into the air.
10. There are * , it may be * , so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11. Therefore if * I know * not the meaning of the voice, I shall be * unto him that speaketh * a barbarian,and he that speaketh * shall be a barbarian unto me.
12. Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are * zealous of spiritual gifts, seek * that ye may excel * to the edifying of the church.
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The church of Corinth was so out of order. You can tell that is true by what Paul is saying. He is letting them know if you guys are going to speak in tongues all the time and someone comes in they are going to think you are crazy b/c they will have NO idea of what is going on. So he said, its good that you are zealous of Spiritual gifts but you need to be the same way about edifying each other or the Church.
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13. Wherefore let him that speaketh * in an unknown tongue pray * that he may interpret * .
14. For if I pray * in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth * , but my understanding is * unfruitful.
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Paul knows that the tongues is not going to be done away with before God comes Back. Thats why he says, if YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK IN AN UNKNOWN TONGUE PRAY THAT HE MAY INTERPRET and if I pray in an unknow tongue MY SPIRIT PRAYS BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS UNFRUITFUL
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15. What is it * then? I will pray * with the spirit, and I will pray * with the understanding also: I will sing * with the spirit, and I will sing * with the understanding also.
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Paul says he is going to pray in the spirit and I will pray with the understanding also. (he is going to pray in tongues and sometimes he will not. Sometimes he will sing in tongues and sometimes he will not
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16. Else when thou shalt bless * with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth * the room of the unlearned say * Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth * not what thou sayest * ?
17. For thou verily givest thanks * well, but the other is * not edified * .
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But if you are going to speak in tongues and someone is there with you how can he agree, b/c he does not understand. You give thanks but the other is left unlearned
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18. I thank * my God, I speak * with tongues more than ye all:
19. Yet in the church I had rather * speak * five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach * others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
Paul says here I am so thankful that I speak in tongues more than all of you, But I would rather teach someone with five words than speak 10,000 words in an unknown tongue
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20. Brethren, be * not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children * , but in understanding be * men.
Dont be childish in understanding, but be men when it comes to understanding
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21. In the law it is written * , With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak * unto this people; and yet for all that will they * not hear * me, saith * the Lord.
It was also written in the law that God would speak to his people in other tongues but even with that they will not listen
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22. Wherefore tongues are * for a sign, not to them that believe * , but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe * .
So tongues is not for sign for belivers (not a SIGN) but a SIGN to the unbeliver. (B/c when an unbeliver hears someone speak in tongues he will know that is the spirit of God). But if one prophesies it is not for the unbeliver but for the belivers b/c the beliver knows that it is prophesy is from God
I will finish the rest of the chapter only if you guys want me to, but I dont want to waste the whole page on that.
But do you not see that Paul never told them to quit, he was just letting them know if you are going to do it than to have some order about your selves. Read the rest of it. Its an awesome chapter on explaining that its not over. But an encourgement in orderly manner.
So let me conclude with last 2 verses in that chapter.
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39. Wherefore, brethren, covet * to prophesy * , forbid * NOT to speak * with tongues. 40. Let * all things be done * decently and in order.
Paul says be zealous to prophesy, and do not prevent speaking in tongues and let it all be decent and in order
forbid * not to speak * with tongues.
[ December 17, 2001: Message edited by: ONENESS ]
Cor:14
Lets break it down
quote:
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1. Follow * after charity, and desire * spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy *
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He says desire spiritual gifts, but it is better to prophesy,
we are getting ready to find out why in the next verse
quote:
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2. For he that speaketh * in an unknown tongue speaketh * not unto men,but unto God: for no man understandeth * him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh * mysteries
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He that speaks in an UNKNOWN tongue speaks not unto Man, but UNTO GOD. But he speaks Mysteries.
quote:
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3. But he that prophesieth * speaketh * unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
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But Prophesing is going to speak directly to someone or the church for edification
quote:
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4. He that speaketh * in an unknown tongue edifieth * himself; but he that prophesieth * edifieth * the church
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He says here that if you speak in an unknown tongue you edify your self(Is there anything there about saying not to do it? What is wrong about getting edified?) But if you prophesy you edify the church.(meaning everyone gets something out of it)
quote:
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5. I would * that ye all spake * with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied * : for greater is he that prophesieth * than he that speaketh * with tongues, except he interpret * , that the church may receive * edifying.
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Paul says he wishes the everyone of you spoke in tongues, But I would rather that you prophsy. B/c if you prophsy you are greater than he that speaks in an unknown tongue EXCEPT or UNLESS someone interprets b/c then it will edify the chruch.
quote:
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6. Now, brethren, if I come * unto you speaking * with tongues, what shall I profit * you,except I shall speak * to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
7. And even things without life giving * sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give * a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known * what is piped * or harped * ?
8. For if the trumpet give * an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself * to the battle?
9. So likewise ye, except ye utter * by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known * what is spoken * ? for ye shall * speak * into the air.
10. There are * , it may be * , so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11. Therefore if * I know * not the meaning of the voice, I shall be * unto him that speaketh * a barbarian,and he that speaketh * shall be a barbarian unto me.
12. Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are * zealous of spiritual gifts, seek * that ye may excel * to the edifying of the church.
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The church of Corinth was so out of order. You can tell that is true by what Paul is saying. He is letting them know if you guys are going to speak in tongues all the time and someone comes in they are going to think you are crazy b/c they will have NO idea of what is going on. So he said, its good that you are zealous of Spiritual gifts but you need to be the same way about edifying each other or the Church.
quote:
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13. Wherefore let him that speaketh * in an unknown tongue pray * that he may interpret * .
14. For if I pray * in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth * , but my understanding is * unfruitful.
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Paul knows that the tongues is not going to be done away with before God comes Back. Thats why he says, if YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK IN AN UNKNOWN TONGUE PRAY THAT HE MAY INTERPRET and if I pray in an unknow tongue MY SPIRIT PRAYS BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS UNFRUITFUL
quote:
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15. What is it * then? I will pray * with the spirit, and I will pray * with the understanding also: I will sing * with the spirit, and I will sing * with the understanding also.
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Paul says he is going to pray in the spirit and I will pray with the understanding also. (he is going to pray in tongues and sometimes he will not. Sometimes he will sing in tongues and sometimes he will not
quote:
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16. Else when thou shalt bless * with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth * the room of the unlearned say * Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth * not what thou sayest * ?
17. For thou verily givest thanks * well, but the other is * not edified * .
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But if you are going to speak in tongues and someone is there with you how can he agree, b/c he does not understand. You give thanks but the other is left unlearned
quote:
18. I thank * my God, I speak * with tongues more than ye all:
19. Yet in the church I had rather * speak * five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach * others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
Paul says here I am so thankful that I speak in tongues more than all of you, But I would rather teach someone with five words than speak 10,000 words in an unknown tongue
quote:
20. Brethren, be * not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children * , but in understanding be * men.
Dont be childish in understanding, but be men when it comes to understanding
quote:
21. In the law it is written * , With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak * unto this people; and yet for all that will they * not hear * me, saith * the Lord.
It was also written in the law that God would speak to his people in other tongues but even with that they will not listen
quote:
22. Wherefore tongues are * for a sign, not to them that believe * , but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe * .
So tongues is not for sign for belivers (not a SIGN) but a SIGN to the unbeliver. (B/c when an unbeliver hears someone speak in tongues he will know that is the spirit of God). But if one prophesies it is not for the unbeliver but for the belivers b/c the beliver knows that it is prophesy is from God
I will finish the rest of the chapter only if you guys want me to, but I dont want to waste the whole page on that.
But do you not see that Paul never told them to quit, he was just letting them know if you are going to do it than to have some order about your selves. Read the rest of it. Its an awesome chapter on explaining that its not over. But an encourgement in orderly manner.
So let me conclude with last 2 verses in that chapter.
quote:
39. Wherefore, brethren, covet * to prophesy * , forbid * NOT to speak * with tongues. 40. Let * all things be done * decently and in order.
Paul says be zealous to prophesy, and do not prevent speaking in tongues and let it all be decent and in order
forbid * not to speak * with tongues.
[ December 17, 2001: Message edited by: ONENESS ]