Special Days

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

All of Galatians 3 and 4 is about faith or observance of the law. The Galatians were turning to observing the law. In Galatians, Paul tells us that there are people who were zealous to win the Galatians over. Do you think those were former Pagans? No, they were not. The people who were trying to win the Galatians over were Jews. Apostle Paul says, “Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you aware of what the law says?” The Jews convinced the Galatians to be under the law. There is nothing for you to believe that the Galatians were going back to worshiping other gods, but to their former “principles.”
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GE:

Man, don't just say things, quote them!

It is a nothing but lies that "All of Galatians 3 and 4 is about faith or observance of the law"; or that "The Galatians were turning to observing the law."

IF ONLY THEY DID! Paul would not have been so disappointed in them!

The presupposition for Paul having said, “Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you aware of what the law says?” is that the Galatians knew sweet blow nothing "what the Law says"! If “The Jews convinced the Galatians to be under the law”, they would have known “what the law says”! How could they "return" to the Law if they but recently received knowledge of the Law through having been "KNOWN OF GOD"?!

Yes, the Galatians did know what the Law says, that Thou shalt have no other Gods"; but "CRAVED / DESIRED / PRAYED" to "RETURN" to those former no-gods of theirs in disobedience to the Gospel of Jesus Christ!

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[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

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There is nothing for you to believe that the Galatians were going back to worshiping other gods, but to their former “principles.”
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GE:

The Galatians were going back to worshiping other gods THAT WERE, their former “first principles / elemental” – ‘stoicheia’ = “non-gods / idols / images : days, months, seasons years”. THAT, is WRITTEN; not just told for the opinion of GE like it is just told for the opinion of Moriah, “There is nothing … that the Galatians were going back to worshiping other gods, but to their former “principles”” --- as were “their former “principles” not “other gods” their former ‘gods’.

 

[Moriah]

GE:
Man, don't just say things, quote them!

Open the Bible and read. Do you want me to quote all of chapter 3 and 4?

It is a nothing but lies that "All of Galatians 3 and 4 is about faith or observance of the law"; or that "The Galatians were turning to observing the law."

It is not “nothing but lies” that all Galatians 3 and 4 is about faith or observance of the law. The Galatians were turning to observing the law.

IF ONLY THEY DID! Paul would not have been so disappointed in them!

You say Paul would not have been so disappointed in them if they were observing the law.
Galatians 2
Paul Opposes Peter
11 When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. 12 Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.
14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
15 “We who are Jews by birth and not ‘Gentile sinners’ 16 know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

The presupposition for Paul having said, “Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you aware of what the law says?” is that the Galatians knew sweet blow nothing "what the Law says"! If “The Jews convinced the Galatians to be under the law”, they would have known “what the law says”! How could they "return" to the Law if they but recently received knowledge of the Law through having been "KNOWN OF GOD"?!

Because they were recently receiving knowledge of the Law and you cannot expect they cannot be taught anything.

Yes, the Galatians did know what the Law says, that Thou shalt have no other Gods"; but "CRAVED / DESIRED / PRAYED" to "RETURN" to those former no-gods of theirs in disobedience to the Gospel of Jesus Christ!

Galatians were turning back to the same “principles,” by observing special days…

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Open the Bible and read. Do you want me to quote all of chapter 3 and 4?

It is not “nothing but lies” that all Galatians 3 and 4 is about faith or observance of the law. The Galatians were turning to observing the law.

You say Paul would not have been so disappointed in them if they were observing the law.
Galatians 2
Paul Opposes Peter
11 When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. 12 Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.
14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
15 “We who are Jews by birth and not ‘Gentile sinners’ 16 know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

Because they were recently receiving knowledge of the Law and you cannot expect they cannot be taught anything.

Galatians were turning back to the same “principles,” by observing special days…

GE:

You repeat and repeat.

About:
"Open the Bible and read. Do you want me to quote all of chapter 3 and 4?"

No, just show the things you claimed is written. They are NOT written. So you try to get out of your predicament with this silly answer.

The things you claimed are written, are these:

“The Galatians were turning to observing the law.”
“The people who were trying to win the Galatians over were Jews.”
“The Jews convinced the Galatians to be under the law.”

Don’t just say that; quote that!
You can’t.

You not only just repeat; you repeatedly IGNORE any answers given against you.

You ignore – again, here – that the apostles made peace and further acted in harmony. You only ‘quote’ the part BEFORE where they agreed, as if the rest of Galatians reflects a continuation of the discord that existed at first and as if that discord was about the Law.

You carefully ignore the things the apostles, Paul and the Jews initially disagreed on, “the truth of the Gospel” or ‘justification by faith’.

You also ignore justification became an issue only because of the bad human relations and social behaviour of the Jews; not because of any doctrine of any party.

You ignore the real drama turned about the bad role models the apostles and other Jews from Jerusalem were. No Galatians became influenced; they witnessed the whole affair between the apostles with disdain I think.

You ignore circumcision or the Law did not cause dissension, but you only falsely, claim that it did.

You ignore there was NO disagreement between the apostles or between Paul and the Galatians over ‘the Law’ or circumcision, anywhere in 'all Galatians'!

I pointed it all out before, but you just ignore and repeat your own stories instead.

About:
“You say Paul would not have been so disappointed in them if they were observing the law.”

Yes! And do you say, Paul would have been so happy with them if they were not observing the Law?!

About:
“all Galatians 3 and 4 is about faith or observance of the law. The Galatians were turning to observing the law.”

No! All Galatians 3 and 4 are about, is FAITH and JUSTIFICATION that is not, through observance of the law, but by faith and the grace of God.

And all that Galatians 4:8-10 are about is the former Galatian pagans who rejected the Gospel of Jesus Christ and justification by faith through the grace of God, and were turning back to – quote: “superstitiously observe weak and beggarly elemental no gods, days, months, seasons, years” end quote— NOT THE LAW!

You directly CONTRADICT everything Paul says!

About:
“Galatians were turning back to the same “principles,” [viz. my words, “knowledge of the Law”] by observing special days”

… contradicting not only me, but also everything Paul anywhere in Galatians says by precisely identifying ‘knowledge of the Law”, and the Galatians’ “observing special days”! Horrible!

In the end, it is clear your real mistake is that you cannot or do not or will not distinguish things that are distinguished, but identify them to suit your own warped ideas.

 

[Moriah]

GE: You repeat and repeat.

I repeat hoping you will learn.

No, just show the things you claimed is written. They are NOT written. So you try to get out of your predicament with this silly answer.

I have quoted scripture. You are the one who adds words to the scriptures that are not there. I can prove it easily, just look at your previous posts. Here are examples of you quoting scripture and adding into them.

Post # 43: to “TURN BACK TO (THEIR) FORMER FIRST-PRINCIPLE-NO-GODS … THE WEAK AND BEGGARLY DIVINED GREEK WISDOM’S OBJECTS OF SUPERSTITIOUS OBSERVATION AND VENERATION.

Post #23: No “Judaisers misled them” to “observe days months seasons”. They inherited their four “first principle [Greek philosophical] no gods” of time, “days months seasons, years” from their pagan ancestors; were converted to Christianity nominally; then “turn(ed) back to (their) weak and beggarly no-gods / idols AGAIN, to be in bondage” to them.

Post #29: Then in Galatians 4:21, Paul asks the Galatian former Gentiles, now defecting from the (Jewish) Christian Faith, “Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says?”
That is “in Galatians 4:21”; that, is not, in 4:8-11!
In Galatians 4:8-11 Paul asks the former Gentiles, now defecting from the (Jewish) Christian Faith,
“WHEN, YOU, knew NOT God [the God of Israel], WHEN, YOU USED to serve the principalities that from their very nature are no-gods but idols [and not the God of the Jews], tell me, HOW IS IT POSSIBLE you NOW, AFTER you got to know God – OR rather, NOW, AFTER, you got known by God and now are known of Him – HOW IS IT POSSIBLE you NOW, RETURN to those weak and beggarly elements by nature not the [true God and God of Israel], to which you now AGAIN, wish to be in bondage to; wish to be in bondage to all over again, SUPERSTITIOUSLY VENERATING AND DIVINING, WORSHIPPING those principles: days, months, seasons years …” of your former, Gentile, pagan, ERSTWHILE life?!

In addition, how do you think that you can speak for Paul when you say, “Now if the Galatians THUS would have turned again to the God of Israel and the Jews, would Paul have been so upset, so flabbergasted that he would be prepared to give up on the Galatians? Certainly not!”? See Post #29. Show scripture, and stop making things up that Paul did not say.

Do you have a problem with Paul? Why would you say, ““Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” Galatians 5:4. Here Paul tells us, anyone, “whosoever …” – Jew or Gentile – “… are justified by the law; ye _ARE FALLEN_ from grace” and that’s why such person shall do his utmost best to be justified by the Law. Because anyone who thinks or teaches he “could fall from grace”, never knew grace.” See Post #23.

Paul tells us that people can fall from grace by trying to be justified by the law, so are you saying Paul never knew grace?

 

[Moriah]

GE:


The things you claimed are written, are these:

“The Galatians were turning to observing the law.”
“The people who were trying to win the Galatians over were Jews.”
“The Jews convinced the Galatians to be under the law.”

Don’t just say that; quote that!
You can’t.

I have already given you scripture. I will give them to you again.

See Galatans 3:1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard?

See Galatians 4:9 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!

See Galatians 4:21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says?

 

[Moriah]

GE:

You ignore there was NO disagreement between the apostles or between Paul and the Galatians over ‘the Law’ or circumcision, anywhere in 'all Galatians'!

Here are some scriptures for you to study and consider carefully.

Galatians 2:3 Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek.

Galatians 5:11 Brothers, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished.

Galatians 6:12 Those who want to make a good impression outwardly are trying to compel you to be circumcised. The only reason they do this is to avoid being persecuted for the cross of Christ.

Acts 15:1 Some men came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the brothers: "Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved."

 

[Moriah]

Gerhard Ebersoehn,

Do you cut your hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard?

Leviticus 29 "'Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I regard none of Moriah's posts worth answering or my time and effort answering them, or, worth the Gospel of Jesus Christ, to answer.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I do not hate so much as I refuse to argue imb .... I mean ... imbroglio ...

 

[Chowmah]

See Galatians 4:9 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!

Moriah, i have used scripture to interpret that scripture i bolded and you refuse to hear. Not only that but the book you quoted from makes it sound like it says what you say it says and not as the bible says

 

[Moriah]

Moriah, i have used scripture to interpret that scripture i bolded and you refuse to hear. Not only that but the book you quoted from makes it sound like it says what you say it says and not as the bible says

You have misunderstood Galatians and have used other passages to try to prove your false beliefs.

Galatians 3 and 4 are both about Paul speaking to the Galatians who were misled by people who got them to believe they could be justified by observing the law, the law with its observance of special days, months, seasons, and years.

See Galatans 3:1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard?

See Galatians 4:9 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!

See Galatians 4:21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says?

 

[saturneptune]

See Galatians 4:21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says?

I am the most interesting man on earth. I am under the law and have observed it perfectly since birth. The Holy Spirit comes to me for advice on how to guide other Christians. Before hurricanes form, they ask me how strong and which direction. Gabriel and Michael visit me daily to bring me manna, and clip my toenails.

I don't drink often, but when I do, I prefer holy water. Stay thirsty my friend.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Galatians 3 and 4 are both about Paul speaking to the Galatians who were misled by people who got them to believe they could be justified by observing the law, the law with its observance of special days, months, seasons, and years. See Galatans 3:1
You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard?

See Galatians 4:9 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!

See Galatians 4:21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says?

GE:

Yes, and who is there on this forum who does not believe every of the texts which you isolated out of their contexts? NOT ONE. But you very unrealistic, thought, nobody except yourself believed these Scriptures for what they really have to say.

But who is it who on this forum IGNORES the texts that are found in between your extracted texts?

No one but YOURSELF! Yourself; thinking everybody on this forum except yourself has the education or the diligence to read the whole of the Letter and will - unlike yourself -, bring everything into proper perspective.

 

[Moriah]

I am the most interesting man on earth. I am under the law and have observed it perfectly since birth. The Holy Spirit comes to me for advice on how to guide other Christians. Before hurricanes form, they ask me how strong and which direction. Gabriel and Michael visit me daily to bring me manna, and clip my toenails.

I don't drink often, but when I do, I prefer holy water. Stay thirsty my friend.

Wow. That is what you say in response to what Paul said in Galatians 4:21.

See Galatians 4:21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says?

 

[Moriah]

GE:

Yes, and who is there on this forum who does not believe every of the texts which you isolated out of their contexts? NOT ONE. But you very unrealistic, thought, nobody except yourself believed these Scriptures for what they really have to say.

I think that it is better to be among the few.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I think that it is better to be among the few.

GE:

Then divide God's Word faithfully!

 

[saturneptune]

Wow. That is what you say in response to what Paul said in Galatians 4:21.

See Galatians 4:21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says?

It was a parody of a commerical on TV, a pun. You need to loosen up and get out more.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

It is nowhere written to be dead to the Ten Commandments.

It is written to be dead to the Law.

And that means, THE LAW regards YOU, DEAD; and not you, the Law! Because the Law says, DIE, you sinner!

To be dead to the law does not mean to play dead like a mouse to a cat's play; it means the Law judged you DEAD! Suffer the penalty! Pay the price! Receive the wages of your sins!

But, say people like Moriah, No, to be dead to the Law means the Law is dead; and to not be under the Law means you're above the Law and the Law has no say over you for whatever transgression you may commit against it.

There is nothing I can do about such misconceptions, or need do. The Law speaks for itself and shall speak for itself and everybody shall find out for himself who's got the last say, the Law or he who thinks he is rid of the Law of God.

One last thing, many will say in that day, Lord, Lord ... they are those who forced into the Scriptures their own lies and misconceptions, YET BOAST THEY ARE "NOT UNDER THE LAW" OR ITS CURSE but under Christ and grace.

 

[Moriah]

It was a parody of a commerical on TV, a pun. You need to loosen up and get out more.

Since you were rough in some of your posts to me, I did not know you were joking around now. I do have a sense of humor, sorry that I took you the wrong way.