Don't accuse anyone of trusting either side over the other. You don't know that and exactly what the teacher did is not in dispute.
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Special Needs Kid Voted Out Of Class By Fellow Kindergartners
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Joe said:I noticed he moves his head like a retarded kid,talks to himself, stimulates himself with noise, and won't sit still for his mother.
She says he eats crayons.
Basically, he's a retarded kid in a class with normal 5 year olds. I wonder how THAT happened
He probably acts more like an animal than a 5 year old boy. Still, it's a sad situation. He looks like a nice kid.
Parents here feel they can "bend " the system to accomodate their retarded children's needs. They demand their kids be with other higher level children(even normal kids) while expecting the school system to provide one on one personal aides to control their childs outbursts and radical behavior.
This has practically bankrupt our schools. Even when the school accomodates these parents, they often end up suing the school district.
If he was in the class he is suited for, he would have more freedom to be himself. He would be with other autistics, downs syndrome, developmentally delayed kids. Could roam the classroom freely. A classroom set up to accomodate his special needs. A class without safety scissors he can grab and try to stab another kid's eye out with. Autistics are usually more hyper than other kids.
Imo, his personal one on one Aide spends her time keeping him quiet, taking dangerous items out of his reach so the rest of the class can learn. With that behavior, he must have an aide.
This is not fair to the other kids, or to the Teacher.
If he doesn't have an Aide, though I think he must, then that class is a zoo. No one is learning a thing with him there, and it is a safety hazard. The Teacher is pobably pulling her hair out.
I don't think I "buy" this Mother's story.
We used to have an Autistic neighbor boy we would babysit for. He had a few special abilities. You could ask him what day Feb 20th was in 1942 and he could tell you. He loved it when we got old calendars at yard sales and asked him what day his birthday fell on in some prior year. He was always correct.
He also did puzzles really fast!
Normal people pick up a piece then try to fit it in the spot. When he would see me pick up a piece, he would look at it and tell me yes or no before I was able to try to fit it in the spot. He layed the pieces down flat, and only grabbed one if it actually fit.
I have to agree with much of what you wrote. I have worked with kids like him. I have done Teacher's Aide work with kids like him. I have seen many times that the child was a danger to those around him. One 1st grade kid is so violent - at times- that he has his 3rd grade sister scared of him. Yes, a lot has been done to help him, but the shcools are so handcuffed today it is makes it almost impossible to do anything with the kid. This kid is in a special class, but several of the kids in that class feed off of each others actions. It is not always in a good way. IMHO
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Joe, I appreciate your clarifying.
There is always a team making placement decisions here as well. According to the article, if I read correctly, they were in the process of making a diagnosis on this boy. That would most likely have led to a reconsideration of his placement.
A "vote" by kindergarteners is IMO teacher led abuse. The kids probably had no real idea of what they were doing, only they didn't want to be next. :tear: Teachers like this is why parents have to watch what is going on in the classroom and learn for themselves what the class dynamics are.
There is always a team making placement decisions here as well. According to the article, if I read correctly, they were in the process of making a diagnosis on this boy. That would most likely have led to a reconsideration of his placement.
A "vote" by kindergarteners is IMO teacher led abuse. The kids probably had no real idea of what they were doing, only they didn't want to be next. :tear: Teachers like this is why parents have to watch what is going on in the classroom and learn for themselves what the class dynamics are.
> Parents with disabled children face challenges other parents can't even comprehend in trying to raise those children to become productive adults.
What percentage can become productive adults?
> It is not "bending" the system to expect that the public school system provide the same education to our children that it provides to everyone else.
Parents dump kids on the school district who will NEVER learn to dress themselves or do anything productive. The typical school spends maybe $5k to 10k average per student. Some school districts put out $100k to $150 for each of these disabled kids who will end up being institutionalized sooner or later.
What percentage can become productive adults?
> It is not "bending" the system to expect that the public school system provide the same education to our children that it provides to everyone else.
Parents dump kids on the school district who will NEVER learn to dress themselves or do anything productive. The typical school spends maybe $5k to 10k average per student. Some school districts put out $100k to $150 for each of these disabled kids who will end up being institutionalized sooner or later.
"Basically, he's a retarded kid in a class with normal 5 year olds. I wonder how THAT happened
He probably acts more like an animal - you are presuming this! Joe.
"If he was in the class he is suited for, he would have more freedom to be himself. He would be with other autistics, downs syndrome, developmentally delayed kids. Could roam the classroom freely. A classroom set up to accomodate his special needs. A class without safety scissors he can grab and try to stab another kid's eye out with. Autistics are usually more hyper than other kids."
AUTISTICS ????? these are human beings, not a different species. Please refrain from saying this which I find offensive!A more suitable "label" (if you must label them ) for these poor souls is that they are on the autistic spectrum. These people have a neurological disorder they are NOT retarded - there but by the grace of God go we.
He probably acts more like an animal - you are presuming this! Joe.
"If he was in the class he is suited for, he would have more freedom to be himself. He would be with other autistics, downs syndrome, developmentally delayed kids. Could roam the classroom freely. A classroom set up to accomodate his special needs. A class without safety scissors he can grab and try to stab another kid's eye out with. Autistics are usually more hyper than other kids."
AUTISTICS ????? these are human beings, not a different species. Please refrain from saying this which I find offensive!A more suitable "label" (if you must label them ) for these poor souls is that they are on the autistic spectrum. These people have a neurological disorder they are NOT retarded - there but by the grace of God go we.
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That poor little boy! With his neurological disorder I'm sure he has enough to deal with--this will leave lasting hurt and humiliation for him, I'm sure. By the way, my BIL has Asperger's Syndrome, and he's not hyper. When he was a child, he was usually withdrawn.
I heard on the radio today that the teacher has tenure and cannot be fired. Also, her husband is the school superintendant. I'm not sure what can be done, but she should not be allowed back in the classroom. They are probably out for the summer--but next fall, I hope she is not allowed back. Maybe they can find her a desk job or something.
I heard on the radio today that the teacher has tenure and cannot be fired. Also, her husband is the school superintendant. I'm not sure what can be done, but she should not be allowed back in the classroom. They are probably out for the summer--but next fall, I hope she is not allowed back. Maybe they can find her a desk job or something.
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"Basically, he's a retarded kid in a class with normal 5 year olds. I wonder how THAT happened
He probably acts more like an animal -Note the word "probably". Probably means probably. And in this case, they have already had one IEP meeting. Teachers are generally VERY prepared (from what I understand) to make recommendations AT this meeting. So I am unsure of why he is still in this class.
Yes, they are called Autistics. Not sure what you find offensive about the term, but I won't use it further on the BB if it upsets you, promise
I am considered ADHD, otherwise known as Attention Deficit Hyper Activity disorder. Or ADD. I do not like this term because it states I have "attention deficit" which is technically not true. It doesn't mean I am not human as you say. When I was diagnosed, not being human never occurred to me! In school, I was in regular classes. It was hard to sit all day long.
People on the "autistic spectrum"??? as you say,
well...in relation to his peers, this 5 yr old appears more like a retarded child. I think that is obvious. It doesn't make him not human. I hope he is placed into a class with a loving teacher, and students somewhat close to his level, he deserves it. Seems like a sweet kid. He deserves to have more than one friend.
Around here, almost all "Autistic spectrum" children are placed with retarded children in class because that is where their cognitive abilities lie, though they are usually higher cognitively than their classmates. Or that is my experience, and my wife seems to agree.
Not sure how other States/Counties handle this. They probably have special classes for Autistic Spectrum children in larger cities. That's my guess.
To my knowledge, this Teacher MUST be dismissed immediately during the investigation. All information provide to the media provided is coming from the Mother so it's hard to tell what is true. At this point, it is one sided. We can't even verify there was an IEP meeting. School Officials aren't allowed to discuss it. I would like to follow this case to see what occurs from it. Might keep her name so I can look her up later to see if she is still Teaching.
And just so you know, "retarded" is a politically incorrect term nowadays. They are called Developmentally Disabled
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Yes, if it happened, it is Teacher led abuse. ALL the Teacher's doing. Imagine being the parent of the 5 year old who had to tell his friend he voted him out. Like you, I feel she should ....well I better not go there.menageriekeeper said:
Agreed. I know you are very involved in your children's school so you don't need to worry as much.
Sadly, as an Aide, I saw what I call "State sanctioned" child abuse. It was a rigid program for severly emotionally disturbed kids. Make them beg to be able to speak, talk to them like they are in the Army, then when they get mad or refuse to obey the command, threaten them with a warning. Then threaten them again until they finally blow. Then ask your male TA to drag them kicking and screaming into a padded room
No one obeys orders like a dog. It was unbelievable. Parents of Special Needs kids especially should drop by their kids class unexpectidly on a regular basis.
"Yes, they are called Autistics. Not sure what you find offensive about the term, but I won't use it further on the BB if it upsets you, promise Personally, I like the term. "
I don`t like the term
"I am considered ADHD, otherwise known as Attention Deficit Hyper Activity disorder. Or ADD.I do not like this term because it states I have "attention deficit" which is technically not true. It doesn't mean I am not human as you say. When I was diagnosed, not being human never occurred to me! In school, I was in regular classes. It was hard to sit all day long."
is`nt that strange? why don`t you like THAT term?
That phrase ` in red` was not said by me, but copied from your post.
"People on the "autistic spectrum"??? as you say,
well...in relation to his peers, this 5 yr old appears more like a retarded child. I think that is obvious. It doesn't make him not human. I hope he is placed into a class with a loving teacher, and students somewhat close to his level, he deserves it. Seems like a sweet kid. He deserves to have more than one friend."
not my remark, it was copied from your post.
"Around here, almost all "Autistic spectrum" children are placed with retarded children in class because that is where their cognitive abilities lie, though they are usually higher cognitively than their classmates. Or that is my experience, and my wife seems to agree."
that word again ! copied from your post.
"Not sure how other States/Counties handle this. They probably have special classes for Autistic Spectrum children in larger cities. That's my guess.
To my knowledge, this Teacher MUST be dismissed immediately during the investigation. All information provide to the media provided is coming from the Mother so it's hard to tell what is true. At this point, it is one sided. We can't even verify there was an IEP meeting. School Officials aren't allowed to discuss it. I would like to follow this case to see what occurs from it. Might keep her name so I can look her up later to see if she is still Teaching.
And just so you know, "retarded" is a politically incorrect term nowadays. They are called Developmentally Disabled"
Thanks, I am aware of that, but it is not a term I would use , it was copied from your post.
Joe, I`m sorry if I seem touchy about these details, but it is a subject a bit close to me , as my grandson is on the Autistic spectrum and I hate to hear him called an Autistic........as you would not like to be called an ADD - he is a beautiful boy with a dreadful problem :tear: .
I do not need to be told the meaning of the word probably either thanks, I am fairly profficient in the use of the English language..... ref. your post "Note the word "probably". Probably means probably".....
I`m not going to come on this thread again, as my emotions on the subject are too high.........:tear:
Kind regards,
Gwyneth
Personally, I like the term. "I don`t like the term
"I am considered ADHD, otherwise known as Attention Deficit Hyper Activity disorder. Or ADD.I do not like this term because it states I have "attention deficit" which is technically not true. It doesn't mean I am not human as you say. When I was diagnosed, not being human never occurred to me! In school, I was in regular classes. It was hard to sit all day long."
is`nt that strange? why don`t you like THAT term?
That phrase ` in red` was not said by me, but copied from your post.
"People on the "autistic spectrum"??? as you say,
well...in relation to his peers, this 5 yr old appears more like a retarded child. I think that is obvious. It doesn't make him not human. I hope he is placed into a class with a loving teacher, and students somewhat close to his level, he deserves it. Seems like a sweet kid. He deserves to have more than one friend."
not my remark, it was copied from your post.
"Around here, almost all "Autistic spectrum" children are placed with retarded children in class because that is where their cognitive abilities lie, though they are usually higher cognitively than their classmates. Or that is my experience, and my wife seems to agree."
that word again ! copied from your post.
"Not sure how other States/Counties handle this. They probably have special classes for Autistic Spectrum children in larger cities. That's my guess.
To my knowledge, this Teacher MUST be dismissed immediately during the investigation. All information provide to the media provided is coming from the Mother so it's hard to tell what is true. At this point, it is one sided. We can't even verify there was an IEP meeting. School Officials aren't allowed to discuss it. I would like to follow this case to see what occurs from it. Might keep her name so I can look her up later to see if she is still Teaching.
And just so you know, "retarded" is a politically incorrect term nowadays. They are called Developmentally Disabled
"Thanks, I am aware of that, but it is not a term I would use , it was copied from your post.
Joe, I`m sorry if I seem touchy about these details, but it is a subject a bit close to me , as my grandson is on the Autistic spectrum and I hate to hear him called an Autistic........as you would not like to be called an ADD - he is a beautiful boy with a dreadful problem :tear: .
I do not need to be told the meaning of the word probably either thanks, I am fairly profficient in the use of the English language..... ref. your post "Note the word "probably". Probably means probably".....
I`m not going to come on this thread again, as my emotions on the subject are too high.........:tear:
Kind regards,
Gwyneth
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rbell said:
Yea, what the teacher did is not in dispute and she doesn't need to be teaching.
Gwyneth, as you dislike the discriptive Autisic, what term do you suggest as a replacement? Mind you I have a nephew (my late sister's son) with the same condition and a sister-in-law with Downs.
Hello Squire, I wasn`t coming back to this discussion, but saw your post and did not want to ignore you. It is not the word itself, I object to , it`s calling these people "Autistics" as if they were a different species from humans I would probably say he/she has Autism or he/she is on the Autistic spectrum. As I stated in my post above, this is a bit of a raw patch with me, but I would not call a person with Downs syndrome a "Downs" but would say , as you did, that he/she is a person with Downs syndrome, this is a lot different in my opinion, and affords some respect to the individual.
Gwyneth
Gwyneth
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You know me better than this, you and I been on the BB too long for you to post something like this.rbell said:
You are deliberately stating untruths. I would NEVER excuse a Teacher abusing children, or anyone abusing children for that matter, EVER.
Here are TWO of my posts. Somehow you missed them
Notice what I bolded. It leaves no wriggle room for anyone to misunderstand my views. If I had continued the sentence bolded, it would have read something like "I feel this Teacher should be taken behind the barn..."but I didn't want to go that far. So I didn't.
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