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Rip, yer funny, my rhetorical friend. But you don’t even seem to realize that your first response regarding my claim, “As expected, Calvinists/Determinists do not seem interested in rational and ethical debate, and/or they simply don't understand the principles of critical thinking skills.” began with a direct rhetorical personal attack which clearly demonstrates the aforementioned ignorance concerning a lack of structured debate here. Then you follow by your second response - a totally off topic, red herring fallacy supplemented by what you apparently hope is a “good attempt” at another fallacy of “poisoning the well”. So Rip, you merely unwittingly proved my point with your fallacious examples that you, “simply don't understand the principles of critical thinking skills” concerning having a debate with some basic logical principles.

Now Rip, this tactic of yours to set up a scenario where you start squealing the distress call, like a pig stuck in the mud, by claiming someone has alluded to the conveniently and often biasedly used dreaded charge here of heresy toward one of your heroes, say “Calvin” for instance, is getting old. Especially, in light of your hypocrisy regarding your supposed entitlement to straight out call John Wesley a heretic on this board. DO we really go down these roads and play these games every time in order to support an unrelated claim??? BTW, that’s a rhetorical question, as shown above you’ve already helped me demonstrate my point and to draw out the truth on this matter of my claim in this thread.

As a matter of fact, my growth in the area of drawing out the truth from within people’s claims through defining and using logical principles of reason has proved to be quite beneficial, at least for those who are interested in the truth. A while back I was talking to the leader of a Bible study group who were going down the road of Calvinism’s philosophical musings of the TULIP. As commonly takes place by those being introduced into owning a soteriological position they were enthusiastically falling for it hook, line and sinker, but my logical warnings to him of the theological fatalism of Hard Determinism/Hyper Calvinism views ended up getting relayed to his class. The result was that all 7 of them turned away from and rejected the “Doctrines of Preselected Deterministic Grace” AKA Calvinism. There have also been several individual cases where I have used constructive philosophical reasoning to reveal the truth concerning the Doctrines of Determinism. So yes, I would say I am finding receptive audiences due to my continued study and commitment of logically cutting through and exposing the common meaningless rhetorical arguments given by Calvinists.

…But I must admit it is easier when a person is actually more interested in drawing out the truth in a debate rather than merely senselessly arguing and that seems to be a rarity as far as those who typically try to push Calvinistic agendas on the internet.

It not too late though Rip, remember, “Whatever you practice you get better at.” For instance anytime you’d like to address this thread concerning a common fallacy (weasel words), started a while back in your honor, it will be waiting. Really! You might learn something about basic logic and critical thinking skills. Maybe then we could see who would like to retract what without all the rhetorical fallacious nonsense you’ve grown so accustomed to relying on around here.

I try.

Well, thank you.

 

Yea....the guy has had an agenda from the very beginning ....that's what I mean by rebellion. Denying the doctrine of total inibility and downplaying the doctrine of origional sin & insisting on a universal atonement. Bottom line here is that these types insist on preserving a place for human agency in the process of salvation. Well I beg to differ....see from my prospective, when divine sovereignty is pushed aside to make way for human ability, a theological dislocation occurs and this guy is a perfect example of it. So Iconoclastic & Willis, you guys should just give it up....either he will come around or he wont. Thats his choice.


Me....I gotta church to find or plant in my community. I have little time for this guy. Bless youse for trying though.

 

Here yes....belief no.:tongue3:

 

And on and on you go for ages. You have not learned to be concise at all. But I had such high hopes for you. You keep getting lost in the weeds.

Why can't you simply answer direct questions with direct answers?

The teachings of Arnold Murray are still pretty solid in your eyes compared to Calvinists --which you refer to as hard determinists and hyper-Calvinists.

Nope, you have not changed -- such a pity.

 

another post...carnal speculations, debate fallacy this and red herring that, but once again...no scripture at all:thumbs: