Specific threats to Christians about losing eternal life!

[The Biblicist]

:laugh: :laugh:

Ridicule without providing substance is the calling card of Satan and his servants.

 

[The Biblicist]

So, you deny and dismiss John Smyth and Thomas Helwys. You are mistaken.

I don't deny their existence at all. I deny your interpretation that they were the first English Baptists - that is rediculous and repudiated by the historical facts and testimony of English Baptists and their earliest historians (Crosby - vol. 2, Davis, etc.). John T. Christian provided volumes of repudiation of your theory.

 

[evangelist-7]

Ridicule without providing substance is the calling card of Satan and his servants.

The Biblicist has also called me a servant of Satan ... and I wasn't ridiculing him.
I was just presenting my doctrinal beliefs, which come from Scripture, the Holy Spirit, and much experience.

I suggest that we all just ignore him ... and maybe he'll go back into retirement again.
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[The Biblicist]

The Biblicist has also called me a servant of Satan ... and I wasn't ridiculing him.
I was just presenting my doctrinal beliefs, which come from Scripture, the Holy Spirit, and much experience.

I suggest that we all just ignore him ... and maybe he'll go back into retirement again.
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You have just lied! I did not even address you or your post. I addressed the double :tongue3: of Thomas Hewly post. Even there, I only defined Satan's calling card without naming anyone. You are now guilty of lying.

 

[evangelist-7]

You have just lied! I did not even address you or your post. I addressed the double :tongue3: of Thomas Hewly post. Even there, I only defined Satan's calling card without naming anyone. You are now guilty of lying.

I never said it was in this thread.
And I'm not going to dig it out from whichever thread it was in.
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[The Biblicist]

I never said it was in this thread.
And I'm not going to dig it out from whichever thread it was in.
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You said "also" and that is your response to post #188 where I did not "ALSO" call Hewly a servant of Satan. Do you know the meaning of "also"?? It means IN ADDITION TO something and your telling a non-truth when you said that.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Ridicule without providing substance is the calling card of Satan and his servants.

And what is accusing a brother? Oh, hold on, you don't consider me a brother: You just called me a follower and servant of Satan. You are a deceiver and liar, and you have just committed an offense that should subject you to being banned. You are nothing but a punk and a coward hiding behind your computer and throwing out falsehoods.

Let everyone see that I did not start this. I have tried not to respond to such things as you, Biblicist, have initiated. But you have thrown down the gauntlet too many times, and I have turned the other cheek. But Jesus didn't say what to do after that, so game on, punk.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

You have been led down the pathway of pedobaptist historical perversion. I know my history quite well. The idea that Thomas Helwy was the earliest English Baptist is a joke! John T. Christian provided more than sufficient historical evidence to expose that theory as completely false.

My history in this matter comes from respected and reputable Baptist historians, not paedobaptists, nor fringe nutcases like J. Christian who promoted fables and myths and who have been completely discredited.

You have no more ground upon which to stand than Roman Catholics.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

I have approached it solely on the merits of the text itself not by some philsophical bias. I have given two threads to this passage. If you are a capable exegete then point out my expositional flaws in those thread. As of yet, NONE have attempted to dispute the expositonal facts I have laid out for all to examine. It is disgenuine to impute a philsophical bias when you have not even examined the contextual based evidence presented. Proper exegesis only will determine whether philsophical bias has been injected. You cannot conclude what you have not examined. Your charge of philosphical bias is repudiated by proper exegesis of the text. Doubt me? Then demonstrate where my exegesis incorporates any philosophical bias or drop your charges.

You simply ignore or twist the plain words of the text to uphold your untenable determinism.

You assassinate God's character, and then try to do that to your opponents. You are a liar and deceiver of the first class.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

I don't deny their existence at all. I deny your interpretation that they were the first English Baptists - that is rediculous and repudiated by the historical facts and testimony of English Baptists and their earliest historians (Crosby - vol. 2, Davis, etc.). John T. Christian provided volumes of repudiation of your theory.

John T. Christian was a fringe nutcase, and you are the same.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

The Biblicist has also called me a servant of Satan ... and I wasn't ridiculing him.
I was just presenting my doctrinal beliefs, which come from Scripture, the Holy Spirit, and much experience.

I suggest that we all just ignore him ... and maybe he'll go back into retirement again.
.

This is what the coward punk does. I have read his old posts, and this is a common tactic of his, and then he denies doing it. He is a lying coward.

No RC, SDA, or Charismatic has ever called me what Biblicist has. If he is an example of "biblicism", I'd rather have the company of the three groups I mentioned.

 

[The Biblicist]

This is what the coward punk does. I have read his old posts, and this is a common tactic of his, and then he denies doing it. He is a lying coward.

No RC, SDA, or Charismatic has ever called me what Biblicist has. If he is an example of "biblicism", I'd rather have the company of the three groups I mentioned.

Look at your own langauge! You are a complete hypocrit as out of your own mouth flows exactly what you are condemning in others.

I have never ridiculed others WITHOUT FIRST PROVIDING SUBSTANCE to support my position. Only when the other party IGNORES the substance and resorts to ridicule do they receive exactly what they mete out. You will never find a post of mine where I speak as you do above "coward punk...coward.."

Ridicule WITHOUT SUBSTANCE is the calling card of Satan and his servants.

 

[The Biblicist]

And what is accusing a brother? Oh, hold on, you don't consider me a brother: You just called me a follower and servant of Satan. You are a deceiver and liar, and you have just committed an offense that should subject you to being banned. You are nothing but a punk and a coward hiding behind your computer and throwing out falsehoods.

Let everyone see that I did not start this. I have tried not to respond to such things as you, Biblicist, have initiated. But you have thrown down the gauntlet too many times, and I have turned the other cheek. But Jesus didn't say what to do after that, so game on, punk.

You don't read very well do you! I gave a definition without applying it to anyone. It is generic in application. If the shoe fits wear it but stop lying by saying "you just called ME a follower and servant of Satan." THAT IS YOUR OWN APPLICATION OF THE PRINCIPLE I gave. If that is true it came from your mouth not mine. Confession is good for the soul

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Look at your own langauge! You are a complete hypocrit as out of your own mouth flows exactly what you are condemning in others.

I have never ridiculed others WITHOUT FIRST PROVIDING SUBSTANCE to support my position. Only when the other party IGNORES the substance and resorts to ridicule do they receive exactly what they mete out. You will never find a post of mine where I speak as you do above "coward punk...coward.."

Ridicule WITHOUT SUBSTANCE is the calling card of Satan and his servants.

You started it, you lying coward punk! Everybody knows you did. When I get called a heretic and a servant of Satan, you bet I won't take it! I'll PM you my real name and location, and let's see how brave you are.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

You don't read very well do you! I gave a definition without applying it to anyone. It is generic in application. If the shoe fits wear it but stop lying by saying "you just called ME a follower and servant of Satan." THAT IS YOUR OWN APPLICATION OF THE PRINCIPLE I gave. If that is true it came from your mouth not mine. Confession is good for the soul

Then confess, you liar.

 

[steaver]

Thomas; John T. Christian was a fringe nutcase, and you are the same.

I have never ridiculed others WITHOUT FIRST PROVIDING SUBSTANCE to support my position. Only when the other party IGNORES the substance and resorts to ridicule do they receive exactly what they mete out.

Ridicule WITHOUT SUBSTANCE is the calling card of Satan and his servants.

Children, children, your Father in Heaven cannot be pleased with either of you.

First; should we use any form a ridicule with anyone, let alone towards a brother or sister in Christ?

Secondly; Jesus said do not repay evil for evil, so we cannot defend our sins by saying "you started it". Kinda reminds me of raising my kids years ago.

Thirdly: Ridiculing ONLY makes the one doing the ridiculing look bad, NEVER the one being ridiculed. So we really should abstain from all forms of it.

And fourthly; As far as who has the most learning goes; "And though I have [the gift of] prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing". (1Cor13) What does Paul, well actually the Holy Spirit speaking through Paul, think about you guy's little squabble going on here?

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Children, children, your Father in Heaven cannot be pleased with either of you.

First; should we use any form a ridicule with anyone, let alone towards a brother or sister in Christ?

Secondly; Jesus said do not repay evil for evil, so we cannot defend our sins by saying "you started it". Kinda reminds me of raising my kids years ago.

Thirdly: Ridiculing ONLY makes the one doing the ridiculing look bad, NEVER the one being ridiculed. So we really should abstain from all forms of it.

And fourthly; As far as who has the most learning goes; "And though I have [the gift of] prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing". (1Cor13) What does Paul, well actually the Holy Spirit speaking through Paul, think about you guy's little squabble going on here?

I agree, and that is why I am taking a sabbatical.

I do think there is a difference between initiating attacks and responding to them, even when the response is uncivil.

 

[steaver]

I agree, and that is why I am taking a sabbatical.

I do think there is a difference between initiating attacks and responding to them, even when the response is uncivil.

We are ever fighting back that flesh. We need each other to say real it back in now and again, :thumbs:

This darn sanctification process, be nice to skip it, :tongue3:

God speed brother!

 

[The Biblicist]

John 6:36-40 deals specifically with the question whether a single solitary person who comes to Christ in faith will ever be lost and the answer is unequivocally "I SHALL LOSE NOTHING" and he is speaking about "OF ALL" the Father gave him - none failed to come to him in faith and none lost.

In direct contrast those who deny OSAS must directly contradict this conclusion by Christ. They must assert that at least ONE "OF ALL" the Father gave him which came to him became lost. They must assert that at least ONE "OF ALL" that came to Christ, became lost. However, Jesus denies that any that were given nor any that came were lost. That is a flat repudiation of Once Saved and then Lost theory.


Whenever a person chooses to pit scripture against scripture it is an admission that they are either in darkness about one or both as pitting scripture against scripture is never the correct response as it asserts that God is the author of confusion.

 

[Yeshua1]

The Biblicist has also called me a servant of Satan ... and I wasn't ridiculing him.
I was just presenting my doctrinal beliefs, which come from Scripture, the Holy Spirit, and much experience.

I suggest that we all just ignore him ... and maybe he'll go back into retirement again.
.

Well...

You DO honor experience above scripture, and most of the current Charasmatic chaos is from satan, so?