spin-off from "Route to Calvinism"

[webdog]

Just pointing out the obvious, John...like those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones...
Not like you webdog a? (Johnp)

 

[johnp.]

webdog.

I'm not talking about that verse, but your comment on it. I don't believe God determines man's sin, no. (From post #27.)

Job 2:21 ..."Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked I will depart. The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; may the name of the LORD be praised." 22 In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing.

Job has just had his property stolen and his family and servants killed and he says it was the Lord's doing but he is not like you is he webdog? You do not believe God determines man's sins. So Job is not like you is a factual statement and has nothing to do with me smearing you or others has it?

Just what the BB needs...more arrogance, ad hominems and the spreading of vitriol (webdog)

That was what your reply to the Op. Why you bothered is a question.

Isaiah40:28, here you go!

Why the smear, if it is a smear, it certainly comes from you as a smear? As I said, I'd rather be one of those believing God's Sovereignty but it isn't true. No explanation is offered no evidence produced to show anyone that I'm an hyper-Calvinist but two scriptures. From post #33 the evidence you bring are two scriptures. haha! Anyone believing those are hyper-Calvinists. Cool.

At least I try to answer all points made to me Not like you webdog a? (Johnp)

 

[webdog]

Job 2:21 ..."Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked I will depart. The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; may the name of the LORD be praised." 22 In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing.

Job has just had his property stolen and his family and servants killed and he says it was the Lord's doing but he is not like you is he webdog? You do not believe God determines man's sins. So Job is not like you is a factual statement and has nothing to do with me smearing you or others has it?

Where in this text does it say the Lord did these wrongdoings? It states plainly Job did not sin by CHARGING God with these things. You on the other hand DO charge God with these things, and according to Scripture...this Scripture...that is a sin.

 

[johnp.]

Job 2:21 ..."Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked I will depart. The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; may the name of the LORD be praised." 22 In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing.


john.

 

[johnp.]

Where in this text does it say the Lord did these wrongdoings?

See what I mean? In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing. Like you have just done webdog.

john.

 

[johnp.]

It states plainly Job did not sin by CHARGING God with these things.

You err. Job did not sin by charging God with wrong doing as you have done but he believed God did it.

JOB 9:23 When a scourge brings sudden death, he mocks the despair of the innocent. 24 When a land falls into the hands of the wicked, he blindfolds its judges. If it is not he, then who is it?

I charge God with nothing as He cannot be charged.

RO 9:19 One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?" 20 But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, `Why did you make me like this?' " 21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?
RO 9:22 What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath--prepared for destruction? 23 What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory--

Where is your evidence that I'm hyper again? Nowhere to be seen.

john.

 

[webdog]

See what I mean? In all this, Job did not sin by charging God with wrongdoing. Like you have just done webdog.

john.

I didn't charge God with anything. I'm not the one who believes God is the author of sin...remember?

 

[Isaiah40:28]

My mistake I understand now I'm sorry.
MB

No problem.

 

[Jarthur001]

You really made no points to begin with worth responding to.


Anyone can pull a Scripture verse out of context.

Responding to your arguments is futile, as you don't like help putting Scripture back into context.

If I might be so ignorant as to remind you of your own words: Just what the BB needs...more arrogance, ad hominems and the spreading of vitriol (webdog)

john.

ad hominems? Webdog?

Boy have I got some quotes to show you..

 

[Isaiah40:28]

I'm not talking about that verse, but your comment on it. I don't believe God determines man's sin, no.

What are your comments on that verse, Proverbs 16:9?
What does God determine?

In the same sense a book is written. I can write a book about a character's life, and the character is bound to do what I wrote. I determined what the character would do, and how. If I write that the character murders someone, I'm the first cause of him being a murderer.

So you would say that having God be the first cause of everything is making Him the author of sin? And you also consider that to be a hyper-Calvinist view?
Am I understanding your position right?

It's not too rare here. This is a rare board.

johnp says he's not a hyper-calvinist
are there any others on here that you think are hyper-calvinists?
what else defines a hyper-Calvinist?

 

[Jarthur001]

What are your comments on that verse, Proverbs 16:9?
What does God determine?

So you would say that having God be the first cause of everything is making Him the author of sin? And you also consider that to be a hyper-Calvinist view?
Am I understanding your position right?

johnp says he's not a hyper-calvinist
are there any others on here that you think are hyper-calvinists?
what else defines a hyper-Calvinist?

Saying God is the author of sin, is not hyper as webdog claims. I'm a 5 point calvinist, that does not hold to God being author of sin, yet I also know this does not make a person hyper-Calvinist.

Yet it can be said that all hyper-Calvinist do hold to this view.

But I'm sure you know this "Isaiah40:28".

BTW..welcome to Baptist Board.

 

[webdog]

Saying God is the author of sin, is not hyper as webdog claims.

Then what is it, just plain old heresy?

 

[johnp.]

Saying God is the author of sin, is not hyper as webdog claims.

You make me feel as if I'm normal man.

I'm a 5 point calvinist, that does not hold to God being author of sin, yet...

Nice to see you James. I suppose I shouldn't misquote you on purpose.

Then what is it, just plain old heresy? (webdog)

Yes I know but what can we do about it, God is in a majority of One. Rom 11:32 For God has bound all men over to disobedience...

I'm sure we are all interested in your opinion but there are some who think God should have His say as well regardless of His unorthodoxy. Why don't you answer scripture with scripture instead of blunting things with opinions webdog? You have had a rough ride today, I shall pray for you.

john.

 

[psalms109:31]

Quote:
To say God directs the path to sin, is what God will not do.

Roms 11:32 For God has bound all men over to disobedience...

Quote:
To say God directs the path to sin, is what God will not do.

PR 16:4 The LORD works out everything for his own ends--even the wicked for a day of disaster.

Quote:
God says to trust in the Lord, not your own understanding and He will direct your path.

PR 16:9 In his heart a man plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps.

Read all of what was said not just pieces.

We all are in need of Jesus, there is none without sin.

Nor can we blame God, God cannot not be tempted nor tempt anyone. We are drawn by our own evil desires.

Who can save us from this body of death praise be to Jesus.

God has predestined those who are in Christ to be saved, our only hope is Jesus.

To say God directs the path to sin, is what God will not do. We are drawn by our own evil desires.

Jesus can save us from this body of death.

The path that God is leading you to by your own desires is death and only Jesus can save you from it.

God says to trust in the Lord, not your own understanding and He will direct your path.

We might not reach this generation, but the next generation is here to.

i agreee with all the scriptures that you gave, but one day you will understand, Jesus is the only one who can save us from that fate.

1 Timothy 4:10
(and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.

 

[Jarthur001]

Then what is it, just plain old heresy?

It may become clearer to your understanding, if you did not lable all doctrine you do not hold to, as heresy. Maybe then you would not lable Calvinist as Hyper-Calvinist, when you have been told 100s of time before this is not what the word means.

You have just conclude something on the basis of little evidence or reasoning and lack of understand what the phrase means, that those that do not believe as you are a bunch of heretics. A bit arrogant.

 

[Jarthur001]

i agreee with all the scriptures that you gave, but one day you will understand, Jesus is the only one who can save us from that fate.

1 Timothy 4:10
(and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.

I just wanted to post this, so that I could bold one line above.

 

[johnp.]

1 Timothy 4:10
(and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe. (psalms)

1PE 2:7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, "The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone, "
1PE 2:8 and,
"A stone that causes men to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall."
They stumble because they disobey the message--which is also what they were destined for.

john.

 

[psalms109:31]

Jesus

Since Jesus is the only one who can save us.

Quite focusing on a dead body and focus on Jesus.

You can trust in Jesus, but you cannot trust in the flesh. Don't let men say you can't trust in Jesus.

At the cross God gives men two paths. To walk away from Jesus and have death, or trust in Jesus for life.

 

[psalms109:31]

1 Timothy 4:10
(and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe. (psalms)

1PE 2:7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, "The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone, "
1PE 2:8 and,
"A stone that causes men to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall."
They stumble because they disobey the message--which is also what they were destined for.

john.

6For in Scripture it says:
"See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a chosen and precious cornerstone,
and the one who trusts in him
will never be put to shame."


That is why they were destined to not believe the message, because they did not trust the Lord.

Gentlemen trust and the Lord will direct your path.

That is why the stuburn stiff knecked men of Moses did not believe the message, because they did not tust God.

Zephaniah 3:2
She obeys no one, she accepts no correction. She does not trust in the LORD, she does not draw near to her God.

Your work is not to believe that is the work of God that you believe the message.

You are just to trust in Jesus and He will direct your path.

 

[Rippon]

Ps. you don't have a way with words . Sometimes you quote Scripture , sometimes you paraphrase verses . Usually you present false choices . Nearly always your grammar and spelling is poor . You want to sound epigramic -- but you come off as writing fortune-cookie sayings . Can't you please be more clear in your posts ? I , for one , am often left scratching my head at some of your posts .

By the way , what are some other Psalms that you appreciate ?