Spiritual Death ,The Remedy, The Restoration of Sacred Space

This is a well known difficult passage, and you are presenting the minority view. Paul thought he was alive because he did not know he had violated the Law, the revelation that he had been made sinner came later in his life.

 

Agreed, but not so they could meet up in a physical area.

 

Mmmm......we will dwell physically with God

 

That isn't what the scripture says it doesn't even come close to that. Since when does the majority of claims set the standard for truth. In fact the majority does not believe in Christ at all. You see the majority would take us all to hell. I could care less of what the Majority believes.
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Most, (all?) of those OT verses you listed referred to Jerusalem, Mount Zion, Beulah, "land" (generic), etc.

Isaiah 60 even names specific regions.

Are you saying these are not physical locations?

 

As much as people with glorified bodies can dwell physically with a spirit.

Are they physical locations? Yes or No?

 

Why would you believe that? Almost every verse you quoted refers to a physical location.
Why would you use the term "sacred space"?

I guess that's my problem with this thread, the term "sacred space".
My other problem is that God's redemptive plan was not to have us assemble somewhere as believers. Sure, we WILL do that, but that's a byproduct of the plan, an incidental happening.

 

You can rationalize all you want.

The Bible does not use the phrase "sacred space". It does not convey the correct image of redemption. Nor do I get an image of God and man in an intimate relationship. In short, it's a lousy phrase, IMO.

The scriptures do indicate a physical location for Zion, Mount Zion, Jerusalem, Beulah, Promised Land, etc. These locations do not refer to a generic assembly of future believers.

I never mentioned pagans or gnostics, so I don't know why you are bringing that up with me. I will say that yes, "sacred space" sounds, new-agey and so I would never use the phrase.

God's redemptive plan is to destroy evil and rescue humanity from their sinful state through Jesus, his son. The plan is not to assemble us together somewhere spiritually so we can sing Kum Ba Yah.

 

Is it not through, the redemptive plan, that God the Father through Jesus the Son of God, destroys the evil one and his works?

Hebrews 2:14 ἐπεὶ οὖν τὰ παιδία κεκοινώνηκεν σαρκός καὶ αἵματος καὶ αὐτὸς παραπλησίως μετέσχεν τῶν αὐτῶν ἵνα διὰ τοῦ θανάτου καταργήσῃ τὸν τὸ κράτος ἔχοντα τοῦ θανάτου τοῦτ᾽ ἔστιν τὸν διάβολον

that through the death he might destroy him that had the power of the death, that is, the devil;

The Son of God, born of woman, had to die and then be given the promised hope of God, eternal life, by the Father to destroy the Devil and his works including the death?

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;
John 5:21 first part. For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
1 Cor 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

 

Was my post above the plan before the foundation of the world? Before Adam who was the sinner to bring death, was created?

Why?

Where was the evil one before God said let there be light?

 

Yes, and that is what I said it was.

 

I understand what @iconolast is getting at with the term "sacred place." The pre-fall Garden was sacred ground in the sense that God was there. Moses was told to remove his sandals because he was on sacred ground, the place where God was. Redemptively, I would probably describe it differently. While the Garden is a type of perfect fellowship with God, we cannot go back there. Our future is with Christ. The types and shadows of the age to come are for our encouragement. They give us hope by displaying God's faithfulness.

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It is as most scholars understand the verse. You must address how Paul could say we are all "made sinner" yet not be separated from God. It is impossible.