Spiritual Warfare

[Amy.G]

Amy--no where in the bible does it say
that Satan is a fallen angelic being at all--NO scripture relates to that

that is purely a man made traditional view--again there is NO scripture which states that event even took place.

pls answer the peter post pls :godisgood::godisgood:

I'm done with you. You reject the clear teaching of scripture and instead want to focus on one verse that you make your false doctrine from. That is cult like and I'm not going to participate any longer.

 

[HisWitness]

I have asked more than 1 here in this thread about peter being called Satan--whether Satan possessed and took control of Peter's voice---and whether satan possesses saints and take control of them also. ???

either some are to scared to answer the simple question---or they are unsure or uncertain about what they really believe on this subject to begin with.

which is it ???? :jesus::jesus::jesus:

 

[Gorship]

Even though it seems you may just dismiss such an answer. Here you are.

Question: "Why did Jesus say to Peter, 'Get behind me Satan'?"

Answer: The command “Get behind me, Satan,” spoken to Peter by Jesus, is recorded in Matthew 16:23 and Mark 8:33. “Get behind me, Satan” seems harsh and out of character for Jesus, especially when addressing Peter, one of His most devout disciples. Why did Jesus say this? What was it Peter did to deserve such a rebuke? Without knowing it, Peter was speaking for Satan.

Jesus had just revealed to His disciples for the first time the plan: He was to go to Jerusalem to suffer, die, and be raised to life (Matthew 16:21; Mark 8:31). Contrary to their expectations of Him, Jesus explained that He had not come to establish an earthly Messianic kingdom at that time. The disciples were not prepared for this new revelation of the Messiah’s purpose. Though Peter understood His words, he simply could not reconcile his view of the conquering Messiah with the suffering and death Jesus spoke of. So Peter “began to rebuke Him” for having such a fatalistic mindset.

Unwittingly, Peter was speaking for Satan. Like Jesus’ adversary, Peter was not setting his mind on the things of God—His ways, His plans, and His purposes (Colossians 3:2; Isaiah 55:8-9). Instead, his mind was set on the things of man, the things of the world and its earthly values. Jesus was saying that the way of the cross was God’s will, the plan of redemption for all mankind. Peter’s reaction was most likely shared by the other disciples although, as always, it was Peter who spoke first. Peter was inadvertently being used of Satan in thinking he was protecting Jesus. Satan had purposely tempted Jesus in the wilderness to divert Him from the cross, from fulfilling the grand design of the Father and the Son (Mark 1:12-13). Innocently, Peter was doing the same thing. He had not yet grasped Jesus’ true Messianic purpose.

Although Peter had just moments before declared Jesus as the Christ, he turned from God’s perspective and viewed the situation from man’s perspective, which brought about the stern rebuke: “Get behind me, Satan!” Jesus went on to explain: “You do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men” (Mark 8:33).

At the time, Jesus’ stern reprimand did not make sense to Peter. However, Jesus’ indictment presents a profound message for us. We can easily see that Peter had the wrong perspective of God’s plan for Christ’s suffering and death. But we must also see how easily we can become an unwitting spokesperson for Satan. This is especially true when we lose sight of God’s plan for us. This comes about when our focus is on our careers, our possessions, our security, the things of the world rather than upon sacrifice and service and the proclaiming of God’s message. When Peter’s focus shifted to his own desires and plans, Jesus rebuked him in order to get him back on track. May our focus always be on God and His plans, that we may never experience a similar rebuke from our Lord.

Source: http://www.gotquestions.org/get-behind-me-Satan.html

 

[HisWitness]

I'm done with you. You reject the clear teaching of scripture and instead want to focus on one verse that you make your false doctrine from. That is cult like and I'm not going to participate any longer.

running scared because you have no answer for the scripture heh ???

the scriptures are NOT clearly taught that Satan is an angelic being NOWHERE in the bible.

 

[HisWitness]

Even though it seems you may just dismiss such an answer. Here you are.

only figures as much that man will keep his phony tradition alive by making it out to be to some angelic fallen angel when its not ???

1 of 2 ways here--either Peter was possessed by this so called satan and his voice was taken control of or.......

the post above was almost completely right till near the end......

Peter thought aS the jews that he would set up a earthly kingdom while here on earth--when peter heard jesus say that he would be taken and killed--that went against the disciples and the jews tradition of thinking---and peter thinking that he was right started to rebuke jesus---the rebuke unto peter from jesus was directly to Peter.

Peter was labeled Satan(an Adversary to the truth because of his false thinking)

here again proves Man has NO authority to say Satan is an fallen angelic being when the scriptures do NOT even say so them selves.

Satan is still a word that means Adversary and in this case it was Peter being the Adversary(satan) toward Christ.

 

[Gorship]

running scared because you have no answer for the scripture heh ???

the scriptures are NOT clearly taught that Satan is an angelic being NOWHERE in the bible.

to be fair. Winman has given multiple answers to the connection of Satan - Lucifer - and the devil, also him being a fallen Angel. It reads from our end as just you not accepting the answers you were given. So then we are at a disagree. May I say that your view is not orthodox Christianity within Baptist and Protestant denominations. Which is why I asked your view on the Trinity, You did not give an answer to the Athanasian Creed. I am worried for your Soul at this point (which I am guessing [and I may be wrong] doesnt concern you). However I am, the SDA and JW view that Jesus is Michael the archangel is a cult in the eyes of Orthodox Christianity, so either we are wrong, or the SDA and JW is wrong. I pray you have the right Jesus.

 

[HisWitness]

Even though it seems you may just dismiss such an answer. Here you are.

above stated that the statement made no sense to peter--yes it did they all knew what the WORD Satan meant and it was an adversary.

Peter knew he was being called Adversary(satan) by Christ but didn't understand why he was because of his false tradion .

 

[Benjamin]

Paul said in 1 Cor 15:32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts of Ephesus, meaning in a figurative expression, that the beasts intended were men of a fierce and ferine disposition controlled by Satan. Eph 6:11-13 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that ye may be able to WITHSTAND in the EVIL DAY, and having done all, to stand. Paul speaks of a evil day or days that Satan ups his attacks on those Christians that are nearest to the kingdom of God whether through old age or new birth or desiring a closer communion with the Lord.

I see us being warned to be prepared, to be able to withstand a worse time, but where do you find "those nearest to the kingdom of God" are going to face an escalated attack?

 

[HisWitness]

to be fair. Winman has given multiple answers to the connection of Satan - Lucifer - and the devil, also him being a fallen Angel. It reads from our end as just you not accepting the answers you were given. So then we are at a disagree. May I say that your view is not orthodox Christianity within Baptist and Protestant denominations. Which is why I asked your view on the Trinity, You did not give an answer to the Athanasian Creed. I am worried for your Soul at this point (which I am guessing [and I may be wrong] doesnt concern you). However I am, the SDA and JW view that Jesus is Michael the archangel is a cult in the eyes of Orthodox Christianity, so either we are wrong, or the SDA and JW is wrong. I pray you have the right Jesus.

they are completely speculation on his part--those verses are talking about 2 kings and the judgement of God on those kings and their cities and the cities round about them in a figurative language.

again I state which those here are not hearing---the scriptures does NOT state that Satan was a fallen angelic entity NOWHERE in the scriptures.

you are purely speculating that when the Word satan is used in texts that it is talking about what your tradition holds---but you have NO scripture that plainly and clearly states that Satan was an fallen angelic entity.

you worry about if I have the right jesus or not--theres only 1 Christ and God

just because we disagree on the fallen angelic entity doesn't mean I don't believe in the Christ and hold to what he has done for all mankind .

your statement is foolishness--jesus said to believe HIM and those that have the SON have LIFE---he didn't say those who believe in a fallen angelic entity that the scriptures are not plain about and doesn't even mention that it exists have life---did he ????

Do you think that all Christians will know 100% truth in this body on earth before they die---NO

Chiristians will be judged by Christ himself for rewards---if I am wrong and you are right--then I will suffer loss but remain saved.

if I am right and you are wrong then you will suffer loss and remain saved.

that's what the bible teaches friend--according to your view saints will know all and be perfect in every work--- if that was the case then why the judgement seat of Christ for his Saints--its not gonna be a picnic when we all stand before him and give account friend :tear::tear::tear:

 

[Gorship]

they are completely speculation on his part--those verses are talking about 2 kings and the judgement of God on those kings and their cities and the cities round about them in a figurative language.

Your welcome to disagree however, Proper Exegesis and Hermeneutics bring us to the results Winman listed.

again I state which those here are not hearing---the scriptures does NOT state that Satan was a fallen angelic entity NOWHERE in the scriptures.

You are looking for a proof text such as "Satan is a fallen angel"; we are given multiple pieces of information that allow us to infer this thinking, all of which were listed. The black thread of the exsistance of the being Satan starts in Genesis one, and using a Literal Hermeneutic and exegesis bring us to the being of Satan. Especially the book of Job.

you are purely speculating that when the Word satan is used in texts that it is talking about what your tradition holds---but you have NO scripture that plainly and clearly states that Satan was an fallen angelic entity.

Its a lot more than speculation. You have been provided with this information.

you worry about if I have the right jesus or not--theres only 1 Christ and God

Of course, Conversations that are start to walk on the fringes of Orthodoxy do

just because we disagree on the fallen angelic entity doesn't mean I don't believe in the Christ and hold to what he has done for all mankind .

My worry hinges on the Michael the archangel business you brought up earlier. Angels are created beings, If Jesus is Michael, Jesus is a created Angel, not fully part of the God Head 3in1 trinitarian theology.

your statement is foolishness...

Its highly probable. Im not nearly as intellectual as many others are on this board. I must say its daunting at times to type replies

--jesus said to believe HIM and those that have the SON have LIFE---he didn't say those who believe in a fallen angelic entity that the scriptures are not plain about and doesn't even mention that it exists have life---did he ????

Gotta double back to the archangel business, I dont know if i could put my foot down on the Satan business and say that your walking into heresy or not.. However, personal conviction would make me curious for your opinion on Gods attributes.

Do you think that all Christians will know 100% truth in this body on earth before they die---NO

We have been given a proper word in the KJV Bible (incoming hate from a lot of people) to know the God head, our history in creation and why we need redemption and the spiritual battle we face.

Chiristians will be judged by Christ himself for rewards---if I am wrong and you are right--then I will suffer loss but remain saved.

if I am right and you are wrong then you will suffer loss and remain saved.

Personally I think when we see Jesus we will just be tossing all these 'rewards' at His feet. However this is true... If your going to be at the judgment seat with me my friend, but you need the right Jesus, not a created Jesus but the eternal Jesus.

that's what the bible teaches friend--according to your view saints will know all and be perfect in every work--- if that was the case then why the judgement seat of Christ for his Saints--its not gonna be a picnic when we all stand before him and give account friend :tear::tear::tear:

In heaven things will be revealed to us at Gods revelation and we will be made whole in Body. 1 Cor 15. However we are not perfect here, and no where in scripture does it say that at salvation all things are made known unto us.. if they were... we wouldn't have debate forums on the baptistboard. Yes we will... and it scares me cause I don't know everyone who will be in line with me. I dont mean to come off abrasive or trying to undermine your faith, But I think we can agree that we need the correct Jesus to be saved (if I said something as foolish as "I believe in Jesus who is Oprah winfrey and when I die I get all the benefits of the bible, I would hope that everyone here would call me a heretic and tell me to repent). Which is why I brought up the Athanasian creed, as its a good basic overview of the orthodox 'statement of the saved' if you will. anyway, I have wasted a lot of time i should be working on this. Ill do a Bill O'reilly and give you the last word. :thumbsup: