Spread of the "Only" Sect

Actually, the English language was in it's purest form under Tyndale. The English language became Latinized under the KJV translators.

 

TC, don't tell POR that...he might not be able to comprehend it...

 

This thread has degenerated to personal attacks and is on page 10. I am going to leave it open for a few hours to see if it can return to topic - otherwise it is time for a shutdown.

 

I think we can all agree that KJVO was a less-than-minor thing before 1930, and wasn't even a doctrine. There was an occasional cleric or obscure author who made a pro-KJVO comment or wrote a small article, but these were almost unknown to the public-at-large, and certainly wasn't preached in any English or American churches, far as we know. The current myth began spreading when Ray & Fuller used the modern media to hype their books, and a whole new generation of authors saw a new cash cow in developing a new genre of literature. Thus, we've seen KJVO spread from the USA to other English-speaking nations. Many British have taken up KJVO out of national pride, but they're following an AMERICAN-MADE doctrine.


Plainly, almost all the authors promoting this myth have followed the "party line" of Wilkinson, Ray, & Fuller. All one need do to see I'm right is to READ THEIR BOOKS FOR HIMSELF to see that every one has copied from Wilkinson to some extent. And almost ALL these authors are AMERICAN.

I believe we can safely say the current KJVO myth began in the USA & has spread from there.

 

Perhaps you sir, should read the entire article. Frank did renounce his involvement. What is also telling is Frank's comment, "I'm in trouble. It's wrong. terribly wrong..."

Read it all sir.

Your dismissal of the facts and then posting the link has gotten you in a 'pinch'.


Be that as it may. I have yet to see an answer to my question.
How does this constant diatribe against KJV advocates further the Gospel?

(Insert the Jeopardy jingle here. )

In His service;
Jim

 

Botttom line: It doesn't!

 

How does this constant diatribe against KJV advocates further the Gospel?

There is no constant diatribe against KJV advocates.

There are, however, those who consistantly speak out against the KJVOnly myth. An THAT is furthering the gospel, because part of the good news is that we have revelation from God, and that revelation tells us everything we need to know to stand blameless before God.

And may they continue to further the gospel by standing against KJVonlyism in this valuable way, for those who seek to add requirements of obedience that go beyond the requirements given to us in scripture are going AGAINST the gospel and beyond the revelation given us. It is a profitable thing to consistantly stand against any extrabiblical teaching being held up as excruciatingly correct doctrine.

You can turn the Jeopardy jingle off now....

 

Where did Jesus ever tell his disciples to go into all the world and preach "The bible has come."? Or, Go into all the world and preach "The revelation of God has come."?

No sir, I submit that He didn't.
What he told us was to go into all the world and make disciples, "baptising them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world."
"Preach the gospel to every creature."
"..and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations..."

I,too, stand against they who would add unto these clear directions of Our Lord and Savior. Be they on either side, or somewhere in between. I see nothing in these commands which would justify your constantly "stirring the nest".

Since when did the gospel include what you here SEEM to advocate? Namely, overturning the faith of some in their Bible? Let them be. If in fact they add that you cannot get saved in anything other than a KJB THEN you have a mission. But if they do not, then let them alone. He that is not with me is against me, our Lord said. I doubt you can rightly say they are AGAINST Him.

In His service;
Jim

 

He didn't.

Exactly. And how do we know what to teach them to observe as part of the gospel? We learn the commands that we need to teach in the scripture. The scripture is an integral part of the gospel because its the source of all the things Christ commanded us. Its all there. Complete.

And if someone goes around telling people that in order to excruciatingly correctly obedient to the commands of Christ, they need to use only the KJV, then they are teaching people to observe something Christ didn't command, and in doing so they are adding extrabiblical commands to the message of the gospel. Those who believe in working to further the gospel will stand firmly and persistantly against such things.

 

Yes, absolutely. I'm a staunch defender of the KJV. I will defend it fiercely from the false doctrine of KJVOism.

 

Same here Johnv.

 

Ditto, guys.

 

AV1611Jim:Be that as it may. I have yet to see an answer to my question.
How does this constant diatribe against KJV advocates further the Gospel?

I can answer your question quite easily, Sir. First, there's no diatribe against KJV USERS, while there's plenty against the FALSE DOCTRINE that the KJV is the ONLY valid English Bible translation. This furthers the Gospel by showing that we DO NOT ACCEPT a known false doctrine for the sake of convenience, or for any other reason.

 

AV1611Jim:Since when did the gospel include what you here SEEM to advocate? Namely, overturning the faith of some in their Bible? Let them be. If in fact they add that you cannot get saved in anything other than a KJB THEN you have a mission. But if they do not, then let them alone. He that is not with me is against me, our Lord said. I doubt you can rightly say they are AGAINST Him.

Again, Sir, you're making no distinction between those who use the KJV from personal preference and those who advocate the false KJVO myth.

The origins of this current myth are very plain; it started with the a book by a SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST(Wilkinson), which was heavily copied(including its numerous errors) by two dishonest authors, one of which went so far as to attempt to cover up Wilkinson's cult affiliation, who used the power of the modern media to hawk their wares. Can such a myth, started by a cult official, copied and spread in dishonesty, be a part pf the Baptist faith or Christendom in general? I don't think so. Its singular lack of the first hint of SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT should speak volumes. Now, we have a whole genre of literature seeking to keep this myth alive by placing the same ole garbage in a brand new bag, with a little trash of their own added. Garbage in, garbage out.

 

First, the KJVO have come here to the BB (NOT a KJVO website) calling our Bibles "satanic", "corrupt" , etc.

Expect to meet with resistance, don't blame the victims for protecting themselves and their Bibles from their victimizers.

Second, In the estimation of many, the theories of the KJVO are error.

The King James Bible English is no longer the "koine" of the average man in the street. The gospel was originally sent out to the lost world in the "common" tongue (in every sense of the word) of the common man in common not classical verbage. The modern version movement is a movement to supply this generation with the Word of God and the Gospel unencumbered by the vocabulary, syntax and grammar of the 17th century, while good for it's generation needs retranslation for the 21st century to keep the gospel crystal clear.

Let folks have the KJB in their cloistered local churches, no problem. Let them exalt it, fine.
Even believe that it alone is the Word of God, they have that right.

But when they come to me ranting, raving with direct and veiled insult and innuendo and committing what I consider blasphemy, causing strife and division everywhere they go, then they should expect resistance.

Third, when shown that all the tests whereby they judge the MVs (the translators and their work) can be applied to King James and his translators and their work then suddenly these things miraculously become irrelevant and/or off topic.

HankD

 

According to many KJVO's I know, the KJV was never in "koine." It was written that way because it just cannot be God's word if it is in common language that everyone speaks - so they say. Of course, in saying such a thing they are calling Tyndale a liar. He died while giving the common man a Bible that could be easily read and understood in the common language of the day.

We shouldn't confuse them with the fact now, should we?

 

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Where did Jesus ever tell his disciples to go into all the world and preach "The bible has come."? Or, Go into all the world and preach "The revelation of God has come."?
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He didn't.


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What he told us was to go into all the world and make disciples, "baptising them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world."
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Exactly. And how do we know what to teach them to observe as part of the gospel? We learn the commands that we need to teach in the scripture. The scripture is an integral part of the gospel because its the source of all the things Christ commanded us. Its all there. Complete.
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Very good. Now notice what else I said.
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Since when did the gospel include what you here SEEM to advocate? Namely, overturning the faith of some in their Bible? Let them be. If in fact they add that you cannot get saved in anything other than a KJB THEN you have a mission. But if they do not, then let them alone. He that is not with me is against me, our Lord said. I doubt you can rightly say they are AGAINST Him.
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Care to comment? Or do we finally agree?

In His servide;
Jim

 

I do. Anyone who prefers the KJV ought to have complete faith that it is God's word. You won't find me telling them they shouldn't, and I'll go out on a limb and say that no one here in this forum is trying to overturn anyone's faith in their Bible--at least not from my side of things. Those who call certain versions "perversion" certainly are trying to undermine the faith of some in their Bible, don't you think?

No, if they add "using the KJV" to their list of things obedient Christians ought to do--and saying that the KJV is the only true word of God in the English version is doing that--then they are undermining the gospel, and I will not let them alone. The gospel is not only about how to "get saved" but how to live right because we're saved--how to "observe all these things", and adding an extrabiblical command to the list of things to observe is undermining the gospel.

If they are adding extrabiblical doctrine and extrabiblical practices and elevating them to the level of the Lord's commands, they are not with him.

 

The gospel was originally sent out to the lost world in the "common" tongue (in every sense of the word) of the common man in common not classical verbage.

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Agreed.


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The modern version movement is a movement to supply this generation with the Word of God and the Gospel unencumbered by the vocabulary, syntax and grammar of the 17th century, while good for it's generation needs retranslation for the 21st century to keep the gospel crystal clear.
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Disagree. Please explain how the english language has changed so radically in the last 120 years as to need yet another new version every 6 months.

You can't seriously believe this is profitable?

Quoted from the new catalogue of Christian Book Distributors.
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unquote.

C'mon guys! I mean REALLY!???

On one page of advertisements I count 7 different versions and a gazillion ways to present them. C'mon now. Seriously?
Did the English language degenerate so much in so short of time as to need all this? Or is it more likely that the church did?

I contend that it is the latter.
In His service;
Jim

 

One more thing, just so I won't be accused of dodging the issues.

I ALSO hate the attitudes and tactics of some in the movement of KJVO. You have valid points concerning them. What I would like to see (wishful thinking) is for they who are so attacked would approach such attackers in like manner as Matt 18 outlines. But then again, there will be, I suppose, some who would excuse themselves from even this directive of our Lord.

Thus making wider the rift.
In His service;
Jim