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[awaken]

Luke tells us Judas hung himself.
Jesus said "Go thou, and do likewise."

There must be some connection...

I take it that you can not refute my post????? Because only comments like this come out when they do not know how to defend there theory in light of the Word!

 

[Alive in Christ]

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Yes, and the sign gifts were for that period. To sort of get the gosple off to a brilliant start.





Not the sign gifts, no. We have The Holy Spirit in side of every christian, we we have Gods anointing, we have the entire scriptures, and we have the gosple.

Awakend...

Thank you for alerting me about the wrong post. I got confused somehow I guess. Thats what I get for posting when tired!

I went back and fixed it.

Awakend

 

[Jedi Knight]

The possibilities God gives every true believer. Mark 16 gives instruction for all generations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weoA3cLMnUY

They will think your mad....and rightfully so!

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Well! I believe you ignore scriptures to prove your theory!

I don't have a theory. I have scriptural facts that have been believed since the first century. It is you who follow inventions of occult-inspired teachers from 1900-1905. Your doctrine was unknown before then. But keep denying the plain truth of scripture. The end result will not be pleasant.

 

[Yeshua1]

Let me try to make it a little clearer for you!

"Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!" (Luke 11:11-13)

The key to understanding this passage is that Jesus gives examples of a son asking his father for a gift, and then He says that "your Father" will give the Holy Spirit to those who ask. In other words, if you are a Christian, a child of God, then you can ask your Father for the Holy Spirit. First you must be saved (at which point God becomes your heavenly Father - see John 1:12-13, Galatians 3:26, and 4:4-7), then you can ask for the Holy Spirit. But remember, when we become saved we automatically receive the indwelling Holy Spirit, we don't have to ask for Him! Yet Jesus says that God will give the gift of the Holy Spirit to those who ask for it. This gift, therefore, is not salvation (because we do not become saved by asking God for the Holy Spirit), but instead this gift is what the Bible calls the "baptism" of the Holy Spirit for receiving spiritual empowerment:

"On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: "Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit. ... you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."" (Acts 1:4-8)

"While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, "Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have."" (Acts 10:44-47)

"As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. Then I remembered what the Lord had said: 'John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.' So if God gave them the same gift as he gave us, who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could oppose God?" (Acts 11:15-17)

This "baptism" is a gift of the Holy Spirit for receiving spiritual empowerment, and we can ask for this gift after we receive salvation (although God might sometimes give this gift to a person immediately after receiving salvation, as in Acts 10:44-47 and 11:15-17).

We can demonstrate this further by comparing Luke 11:13 with its parallel passage in Matthew:
"If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!" (Luke 11:13)

"If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!" (Matthew 7:11)

Comparing these two passages, we can see that receiving the Holy Spirit is equated with receiving "good gifts." In other words, when we as Christians ask our Father for the Holy Spirit, He will give us the gift of being baptized with the Holy Spirit for our spiritual empowerment. Notice that salvation is not mentioned at all here, and in fact we do not become saved by asking for the Holy Spirit.

Since only Christians have been adopted as children of God (Ephesians 1:4-5), only Christians can ask our heavenly Father for the gift of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This demonstrates that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is only available to us after salvation.

Baptism in/of the HS was a promise made to JUT those Apsotles/Disciples of jesus, as they were to have the HS come in His new work upon the earth at Pentacost, to iniate in Church Age, so when he came, gave tonues to demonstarte that he was here now, and gave tongues like fire, and did signs and wonders to demonstrate that Jesus was/is messiah/lord, Gospel true, messengers from God!

ALL that done by him at pentacost, since acts, going forward, we ALL have same HS come upon and indwelling us, ALL have some gift, ALL have same 'experience" of receiving Him!

ONLY command is to be continually refilled by HS, as jesus said that we ALL shall be His witness, ALL receive the HS and empowering, NOT just those who have tongues and "baptism!"

 

[Berean]

How do you get that the language was understood by the speaker on Pentecost? I do see that the hearers understood...but no where does it say that the one speaking in tongues knew what they were saying in another language!

The speaker was speaking in probably street Greek and the traveling salesmen in Jerusalem were understanding or hearing in their own language. The speaker was speaking in his own language and the hearer was understanding in his.

 

[Baptist Believer]

we STILL have the SAME power available to us as believers today, ALL do, its found in yielding to the HS on a contunually basis!

But we can't yield to the Holy Spirit if we deny the empowering (gifts) of the Spirit.

we don't need th tongues/prophecies today, as we have the full rrevelation of God now in the bible...

I'll let the Spirit decide if we need the gift of tongues. I have not needed it, nor has it been manifested through me. Regarding prophecy, I think you have a different understanding of prophecy than I have. Prophecy is simply speaking an empowered word from the Lord about a specific issue. Pastors and preachers do it all the time from the pulpits on Sunday morning, as well as other times.

...and the HS main mission in His church is same today, He empowers us to live as we ought as believer, and to have powerful witnesses!

The exercise and manifestation of the gifts allows us to minister much more effectively.

He is the same, gives same power to do Will of god, so the Church is not deficient in power, just in acessing His power!

Yes, but if you deny His empowering gifts, how will you be a conduit of God's power?

ITS not donethru charasmatic chais, but thru submitting to Him!

This sentence is so mangled, I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

Obviously, we need to submit to the lordship of Christ and cooperate with the Spirit for transformation and empowerment. The guy in the Youtube video in the OP is way off base. But just because there is widespread confusion and false teaching about spiritual gifts doesn't mean we dismiss spiritual gifts altogether and assume anyone who exercises spiritual gifts embraces heresy. That's just foolish.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Not the sign gifts, no. We have The Holy Spirit in side of every christian, we we have Gods anointing, we have the entire scriptures, and we have the gosple.

On what biblical basis do you dismiss the "sign gifts"?

Aren't there situations where God may want to authenticate the gospel through signs to his people and those who have not yet entered into the Kingdom of God? In my experience, it happens a lot more than most "churchy" people realize.

 

[Yeshua1]

But we can't yield to the Holy Spirit if we deny the empowering (gifts) of the Spirit.


I'll let the Spirit decide if we need the gift of tongues. I have not needed it, nor has it been manifested through me. Regarding prophecy, I think you have a different understanding of prophecy than I have. Prophecy is simply speaking an empowered word from the Lord about a specific issue. Pastors and preachers do it all the time from the pulpits on Sunday morning, as well as other times.


The exercise and manifestation of the gifts allows us to minister much more effectively.


Yes, but if you deny His empowering gifts, how will you be a conduit of God's power?


This sentence is so mangled, I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

Obviously, we need to submit to the lordship of Christ and cooperate with the Spirit for transformation and empowerment. The guy in the Youtube video in the OP is way off base. But just because there is widespread confusion and false teaching about spiritual gifts doesn't mean we dismiss spiritual gifts altogether and assume anyone who exercises spiritual gifts embraces heresy. That's just foolish.

ALl christians have a gift, its just that tongues NOT for today!

Sign of infilling of the HS in a saint is love/living for jesus, effective witness, NOT what tongue/gift exercising!

prophesy in local churches in Apostolic Age were direct revealtions from the HS unto Christians, but now we have the bible, so he speaks thru us in that more sure Word!

You "hope" that a tongue/prophesy is really of the Lord, we KNOW that it is in Hid word!

biblre states ALL have SAME HS, ALL have a Gift from HS, ALL have the power to live for Him and be witnesses, so how can denying tongues today affect ANY of those truths?

 

[Alive in Christ]

On what biblical basis do you dismiss the "sign gifts"?

Aren't there situations where God may want to authenticate the gospel through signs to his people and those who have not yet entered into the Kingdom of God? In my experience, it happens a lot more than most "churchy" people realize.

This is fairly strait forward from the scriptures...

Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. 9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; 10but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. 11When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. 12For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I shall know fully just as I also have been fully known. 13But now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love."

 

[Luke2427]

On what biblical basis do you dismiss the "sign gifts"?

Aren't there situations where God may want to authenticate the gospel through signs to his people and those who have not yet entered into the Kingdom of God? In my experience, it happens a lot more than most "churchy" people realize.

No.

A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign.

Signs are for weak or wicked people.

People who have a faith worth having see God in the opening of the red rose as much as they see God in the opening of the Red Sea.

Tongues was never gibberish.

The Bible says tongues would cease when the complete revelation came. It is here. Tongues have ceased.

And, as I said above, even if they continued they would not be mindless gibberish but rather they would be the ability to speak in real languages that one has never learned.

 

[Luke2427]

I don't have a theory. I have scriptural facts that have been believed since the first century. It is you who follow inventions of occult-inspired teachers from 1900-1905. Your doctrine was unknown before then. But keep denying the plain truth of scripture. The end result will not be pleasant.

You're wasting your time.

This person believes what she wants to believe and no amount of reason or scripture is going to change that.

These folks are not led by reason or scripture anyway. They are led by emotions and feelings and conjured experience.

On top of that, they NEED this fake stuff. They NEED it. They could not believe faithfully without it.

For them to allow you to convince them that it is bogus would be for them to allow you to convince them that there might not even BE a God.

The reason they keep believing in God altogether is because they go to church or their "prayer closets" and feel things that they convince themselves is the Holy Ghost.

So this belief in this mess is so precious to them that they would NEVEr let it go- not if Jesus himself came and told them otherwise.

So, you are wasting your time.

 

[Thomas Helwys]

You're wasting your time.

This person believes what she wants to believe and no amount of reason or scripture is going to change that.

These folks are not led by reason or scripture anyway. They are led by emotions and feelings and conjured experience.

On top of that, they NEED this fake stuff. They NEED it. They could not believe faithfully without it.

For them to allow you to convince them that it is bogus would be for them to allow you to convince them that there might not even BE a God.

The reason they keep believing in God altogether is because they go to church or their "prayer closets" and feel things that they convince themselves is the Holy Ghost.

So this belief in this mess is so precious to them that they would NEVEr let it go- not if Jesus himself came and told them otherwise.

So, you are wasting your time.

Bottom line is that I believe you are right.

They use these "experiences" like a drug, and they become addicted. The simple truth and promises of the Gospel are not enough for them.

 

[DHK]

Let me try to make it a little clearer for you!

"Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!" (Luke 11:11-13)

The context:
This is pre-cross. He is speaking to Jews. The Holy Spirit had not come yet. It would be the same as David asking the Holy Spirit asking for the Holy Spirit to come upon him. There is no difference. As it is pre-cross, consider the OT dispensation. It is totally irrelevant to either the baptism or the indwelling or the filling of the Spirit. This is a good example of Scripture taken out of context. But that is par for Charismatics.
Copeland preached a sermon using the text in Mark 10 on the rich young ruler, showing how one can be rich!! Totally opposite of what it teaches! You do the same thing.

The key to understanding this passage is that Jesus gives examples of a son asking his father for a gift, and then He says that "your Father" will give the Holy Spirit to those who ask. In other words, if you are a Christian, a child of God, then you can ask your Father for the Holy Spirit.

BIG Mistake!! If you think you are God's child and you have to ask the Father for the Holy Spirit, then:
1. You are not God's child.
2. God is not your Father.
3. You are not saved, and you have much greater problems then asking for the Holy Spirit.

First you must be saved (at which point God becomes your heavenly Father - see John 1:12-13, Galatians 3:26, and 4:4-7), then you can ask for the Holy Spirit. But remember, when we become saved we automatically receive the indwelling Holy Spirit, we don't have to ask for Him!

And that makes the teaching of this OT verse null and void. The Holy Spirit was given at Pentecost. We don't need to come to the Father and ask him for the Holy Spirit. If you do, then you are not saved. You have greater problems.

Yet Jesus says that God will give the gift of the Holy Spirit to those who ask for it.

Because Pentecost had not yet come. If you have to ask for it now, you are not saved.

This gift, therefore, is not salvation (because we do not become saved by asking God for the Holy Spirit), but instead this gift is what the Bible calls the "baptism" of the Holy Spirit for receiving spiritual empowerment:

The Holy Spirit came at Pentecost and since then is given to every believer. At the time that Christ said this not every one had the Holy Spirit. Now every one does. If you have to pray to the Father for the Holy Spirit, you are not saved.

"On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: "Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit. ... you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."" (Acts 1:4-8)

And he was referring to Pentecost, wasn't he. The Holy Spirit came "not many days hence" as he said it would. That promise was not for us.

"While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, "Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have."" (Acts 10:44-47)

"As I began to speak, the Holy Spirit came on them as he had come on us at the beginning. Then I remembered what the Lord had said: 'John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.' So if God gave them the same gift as he gave us, who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could oppose God?" (Acts 11:15-17)

This is all history. It happened.

This "baptism" is a gift of the Holy Spirit for receiving spiritual empowerment, and we can ask for this gift after we receive salvation (although God might sometimes give this gift to a person immediately after receiving salvation, as in Acts 10:44-47 and 11:15-17).

No, it is not empowerment, as you say. It is indwelling. Empowerment comes from being filled with the Holy Spirit. We are commanded to be filled with the Holy Spirit; never commanded to be baptized with the Holy Spirit. These "acts" were one time events in history as the gospel went out to the Jews, and then the Samaritans, and then the Gentiles, as Christ said it would in Acts 1:8.

We can demonstrate this further by comparing Luke 11:13 with its parallel passage in Matthew:
"If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!" (Luke 11:13)

"If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him!" (Matthew 7:11)

Comparing these two passages, we can see that receiving the Holy Spirit is equated with receiving "good gifts." In other words, when we as Christians ask our Father for the Holy Spirit, He will give us the gift of being baptized with the Holy Spirit for our spiritual empowerment. Notice that salvation is not mentioned at all here, and in fact we do not become saved by asking for the Holy Spirit.

That is not what the passage says. And that is not the context of the passage, a context which you conveniently ignore. Nowhere in Matthew or in Luke does it say he will give you the baptism of the Holy Spirit. You are reading into that passage something that is not there.

Since only Christians have been adopted as children of God (Ephesians 1:4-5), only Christians can ask our heavenly Father for the gift of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This demonstrates that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is only available to us after salvation.

If you still have to ask for the Holy Spirit, according to Luke 11:13 then you are not saved. You were given all of the Holy Spirit you need at the moment of salvation, when you trusted Christ. That is an OT verse written before the cross. Did you live before Christ died?

 

[awaken]

The speaker was speaking in probably street Greek and the traveling salesmen in Jerusalem were understanding or hearing in their own language. The speaker was speaking in his own language and the hearer was understanding in his.

What??? Where do you get that from scriptures? Or is that just an assumption?

 

[awaken]

The context:
This is pre-cross. He is speaking to Jews. The Holy Spirit had not come yet. It would be the same as David asking the Holy Spirit asking for the Holy Spirit to come upon him. There is no difference. As it is pre-cross, consider the OT dispensation. It is totally irrelevant to either the baptism or the indwelling or the filling of the Spirit. This is a good example of Scripture taken out of context. But that is par for Charismatics.
Copeland preached a sermon using the text in Mark 10 on the rich young ruler, showing how one can be rich!! Totally opposite of what it teaches! You do the same thing.

BIG Mistake!! If you think you are God's child and you have to ask the Father for the Holy Spirit, then:
1. You are not God's child.
2. God is not your Father.
3. You are not saved, and you have much greater problems then asking for the Holy Spirit.

And that makes the teaching of this OT verse null and void. The Holy Spirit was given at Pentecost. We don't need to come to the Father and ask him for the Holy Spirit. If you do, then you are not saved. You have greater problems.

Because Pentecost had not yet come. If you have to ask for it now, you are not saved.

The Holy Spirit came at Pentecost and since then is given to every believer. At the time that Christ said this not every one had the Holy Spirit. Now every one does. If you have to pray to the Father for the Holy Spirit, you are not saved.

And he was referring to Pentecost, wasn't he. The Holy Spirit came "not many days hence" as he said it would. That promise was not for us.

This is all history. It happened.

No, it is not empowerment, as you say. It is indwelling. Empowerment comes from being filled with the Holy Spirit. We are commanded to be filled with the Holy Spirit; never commanded to be baptized with the Holy Spirit. These "acts" were one time events in history as the gospel went out to the Jews, and then the Samaritans, and then the Gentiles, as Christ said it would in Acts 1:8.

That is not what the passage says. And that is not the context of the passage, a context which you conveniently ignore. Nowhere in Matthew or in Luke does it say he will give you the baptism of the Holy Spirit. You are reading into that passage something that is not there.

If you still have to ask for the Holy Spirit, according to Luke 11:13 then you are not saved. You were given all of the Holy Spirit you need at the moment of salvation, when you trusted Christ. That is an OT verse written before the cross. Did you live before Christ died?

I have stated what I believe and you have stated what you believe! We just don't agree!

 

[awaken]

As others have post in previous post....it is a waste of time to futher discuss this! We will never changed each others mind! So those that are content to not manifest what God says we can! Then continue on in your walk with God without it!

As for me...I will continue on walking what I have been and seeking a closer walk with my Lord! May you all have a wonderful journey with our Lord and Savior!