Stay-at-home Dads Part II

[Glory-to-God]

Other translations say WORKERS AT HOME, both mean the same thing.

I think I am arguing a point most on this board would agree with.....with guys who are staying home and trying to justify why. Am I right ?

I will leave it at that.

 

[Marco]

Proverbs 31 is the well-known passage about the wife and mother of excellence. From the description of her, we learn that this mother did work outside of the home.

The deal is Glory-to-God is not a man and making statements like "But like any man would he feels" is just a stereotype of what she thinks a man should be. Nothing more.

I think taking scripture out of context or being a zealot is not healthy. But I do acknowledge that the Bible does advise us on certain issues.

However, glory-to-god certainly seems to care for the family which is nice.

p.s. Glory-to-God, I don't need to justify anything to you. My church, my family, and my faith are secure with it. It's done. Peace.

 

[Glory-to-God]

Hi Marco yes you are right she went out to the market place. But she unlike most women today took care of her home, kids , and husband FIRST I'm sure. I list those verses if you'd like ?

It is important to note Proverbs 31 isn't talking about a real woman....but an IDEAL one.

More than likely a woman that we can never truley be. But one we can obtain to be.

The Bible says to be perfect as our father in heaven is perfect....we will never be perfect but our GOAL is to be perfect.

We are to be like Christ.....we can't be now but we can try to be. And some day we will.

All of proverbs was for guidlines and goals not exactly reality.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Glory-to-God:
Other translations say WORKERS AT HOME, both mean the same thing.

No, both don't mean the same thing. The Greek text says "oikourous" (oikos means "home" and "ouros" means to watch over). "Ouros" exists in the NT only in compound words like "kepouros" (which means keeper of the garden or gardener). "Oikourous" simply means "to manage the home" in this context. There is no mandate to remain in the house to do so. What your'e doing is straining at a gnat to swallow a camel.

How a wife manages her home is entirely between her and her hubby, so long as her home is managed by her.

I think I am arguing a point most on this board would agree with.....with guys who are staying home and trying to justify why. Am I right ?

Don't think do. Most men here aren't staying home. One is, and in his example, there appears to be no scriptural violation that anyone can point to. Uncommon, probably. Scriptural violation, no.

 

[Glory-to-God]

No, both don't mean the same thing. The Greek text says "oikourous" (oikos means "home" and "ouros" means to watch over). "Ouros" exists in the NT only in compound words like "kepouros" (which means keeper of the garden or gardener). "Oikourous" simply means "to manage the home" in this context. There is no mandate to remain in the house to do so (any more than there is for a gardener to remain in the backyard). How a wife manages her home is entirely between her and her hubby, so long as her home is managed by her.

I think you just agreed with me. Most translations and comentaries say Worker.

WORKERS AT HOME: oikourgous: (Ge16:8,9; 18:9; Pr7:11; 31:10-31; 1 Ti5:13) "homemakers" (Amp), "to take care of their homes" (ICB), "diligent in home work" (Darby), "to take care of their homes" (NLT), "to be busy at home" (NIV), "to be good workers at home" (NCV), "working in their houses" (BBE), "good managers of the household" (NRSV), "industrious in their homes" (Weymouth), "fulfilling their duties at home" (NET)

"Workers at home" (oikourgós from oikos = home, household + érgo = to work) one devoted to home duties, preoccupied with domestic affairs, or as we might say today "a homemaker" and stands in contrast with the conduct of the younger Ephesian widows who were "idle" and going "around from house to house" (1Ti5:13). The KJV translates this section "keepers at home" because it uses another Greek noun (Textus Receptus has "oikourous") but most authorities (A T Robertson, Marvin Vincent, etc) and most modern translations (NASB, etc) favor the older manuscript use of oikourgós. Even if one favors the KJV, it should be emphasized that “Keepers at home” does not suggest that the woman's home is a prison where she must be kept! The idea is that she is “Caring for the home” and the wise husband allows his wife to manage the affairs of the household, for this is her ministry. It was estimated that in year 2000, up to 80% of women age 25-54 were involved in the the workplace. More women are entering or staying in the work force after having a baby. These numbers are interesting in light of a survey by Family Circle magazine which revealed that 68% of women surveyed would prefer to stay at home with their children if economically feasible.

 

[Glory-to-God]

And single women can raise kids without a father that has been proven.....But is it Gods best and the way he created us and ordained it NO !

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Glory-to-God:
And single women can raise kids without a father that has been proven.....But is it Gods best and the way he created us and ordained it NO !

What I disagree with is your claim that "God's best way" is for the wife to remain at home. There is no scriptural mandate for this, and it is not even suggested. The only thing mentioned is for wives to manages the home. They need not stay at home to do so.

 

[Glory-to-God]

John go back to page three I added something to my post....I found interesting

 

[Marco]

I like you. You have a lot of passion. The thing is Glory-to-God is that my family, and others like me, made a choice. It's good for the kids. Better than daycare. I'm happy and I love Jesus Christ. It's cool. I'll be back to work again and the world will still turn.

I think some things in the Bible are Black and White, while others are advice. It's human nature for us to view some things differently concerning the Bible, hence all the denominations in Christianity.

You may not respect me for your own reasons, but I would ask you to reflect more on this issue.

I began this thread because I was a new Christian and was unsure about this issue. I quickly learned from a variety of peoples that I had nothing to worry about.

 

[Glory-to-God]

I agree your choice is much better than day care. I also like the fact that you see it as tempory. God will bless you and provide.

I guess my passion comes from our society trying to change Gods roles for mankind to fit their own feelings or wants. As long as you see your situation as tempory and so does our friend and not a lifestyle. I don't see why you can't do it.....I was just talking about what is Gods BEST.....we all make choices that are not always Gods best and he still blesses us. I respect you...I respect everyone....I may not always agree.

God Bless

 

[Marco]

Thanks

Hey, if you ever have an extra moment check this out:

http://www.dedelen.com/2005/05/stay-at-home-dads-or-guys-church-would.html

God Bless!

 

[Petrel]

Originally posted by Glory-to-God:
I agree a mans masculinity isn't determained by his job. All I was pointing out was that Deejay said he made less than his wife and that didn't effect his masculinity......in which I pointed out yes but your masculinity is found in your job as a cop....not making more than your wife.

What would you think if he were working as a junior high school teacher?

By the way everything becomes a " Slippery Slope " when you mess with Gods order.

See, I don't think it is "God's order" that men not be the primary caregiver for their children and that women not work.

Oh, and in response to your implication that we're all just lazy layabouts, I am married and we're both quite busy.

 

[Glory-to-God]

Oh, and in response to your implication that we're all just lazy layabouts, I am married and we're both quite busy.

I never said that you must be thinking of someone else.

By the way did you read this ?

WORKERS AT HOME: oikourgous: (Ge16:8,9; 18:9; Pr7:11; 31:10-31; 1 Ti5:13) "homemakers" (Amp), "to take care of their homes" (ICB), "diligent in home work" (Darby), "to take care of their homes" (NLT), "to be busy at home" (NIV), "to be good workers at home" (NCV), "working in their houses" (BBE), "good managers of the household" (NRSV), "industrious in their homes" (Weymouth), "fulfilling their duties at home" (NET)

"Workers at home" (oikourgós from oikos = home, household + érgo = to work) one devoted to home duties, preoccupied with domestic affairs, or as we might say today "a homemaker" and stands in contrast with the conduct of the younger Ephesian widows who were "idle" and going "around from house to house" (1Ti5:13). The KJV translates this section "keepers at home" because it uses another Greek noun (Textus Receptus has "oikourous") but most authorities (A T Robertson, Marvin Vincent, etc) and most modern translations (NASB, etc) favor the older manuscript use of oikourgós. Even if one favors the KJV, it should be emphasized that “Keepers at home” does not suggest that the woman's home is a prison where she must be kept! The idea is that she is “Caring for the home” and the wise husband allows his wife to manage the affairs of the household, for this is her ministry. It was estimated that in year 2000, up to 80% of women age 25-54 were involved in the the workplace. More women are entering or staying in the work force after having a baby. These numbers are interesting in light of a survey by Family Circle magazine which revealed that 68% of women surveyed would prefer to stay at home with their children if economically feasible.

 

[Petrel]

Here's your implication:

Originally posted by Glory-to-God:
I think I am arguing a point most on this board would agree with.....with guys who are staying home and trying to justify why. Am I right ?

I will leave it at that.

By the way, using someone else's text without attributing it is plagiarism. You ought to give us a link to the original source if you quote something, as you did from this page.

And I will agree with Johnv here--how a woman chooses to manage her home is up to her.

So what do you think? Would you think it is unmasculine for a man to be a junior high teacher while his wife is a paralegal?

 

[Johnv]

Hope not. My brother in law used to make big bucks as a technician for SBC/PacBell. He gave it all up after 10 years to pursue his lifelong dream of being a high school teacher. His wife works part time, now that the kids are all gradeschool aged. And they're IFB, I think.

 

[bapmom]

Petrel,

have you ever SEEN Junior High students?

Im kidding! A little....

I think being a Junior High school teacher is one of the most noble, masculine jobs a man could ever take on.

Those kids need to see good men as teachers and examples.....and imagine how honored they ought to be that a man gave up a great paying job just to teach them.


I also know Im interjecting in the midst of a discussion.......

sorry.

 

[Petrel]

You're right! Junior high kids are vicious creatures! Perhaps I should have said kindergarten teacher, although they can be wild too.

 

[Glory-to-God]

Petrel you sound very angry...... I do not know you so why all the rude remarks towards me ? My opinion is just as valid as yours or anyone elses.

I did nothing wrong please read what the Moderator wrote on this matter.

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