Given that it is billwald - no, I doubt very much that he is being sarcastic.
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Stephen Hawking changes his view on God
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Given that it is billwald - no, I doubt very much that he is being sarcastic.
Thanks, I was just trying to speak to him on a level that I thought that he could relate to.
For those who like creation vs evolution..... excellent video series on you tube by the late Dr. D. James Kennedy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mxXICZ9mXo
This contradicts your previous statement that "God created something that caused the Bib Bang or whatever without God's micromanagement".
glfredrick
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That is a deist position, and refuted by Scripture which makes plain that God is intimately involved in every aspect of the operation of this universe. You may wish to review the questions God asked Job once Job shut up long enough for God to speak to him, that is...
I've read a lot of Hawking's work, including his popular best seller, "A Brief History of Time." He has decidedly reversed his position concerning the potential for a deity to have been the First Cause of the universe from that book to his new work, of which the statement that God was not necessary for the creation of the universe arises.
Hawking is wrong, and most cosmologists and astrophysicists will say so these days. Almost 100% of the evidence points to a deistic First Cause for the advent of the universe, which is decidedly a problem for the naturalistic and atheistic science community. IF there is a God (god in their case) who started up the universe, they will have to reverse their opinions and hypothesis on a good number of other science issues, including evolution.
Funny how, after all these years of science taking the forefront, and pushing materialistic empirical data as the only sure thing (which scientific test shows that to be the only real position?) how now that the parameters of the universe show just cause for the Theistic or Deistic position. Science gets to the top of the mountain and finds a bunch of theologians sitting around having tea... :wavey:
windcatcher
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I think
Too much thinking and "knowledge" involving the finite mind of man.... trying to decipher the possible from the impossible, the truth from a foundation in illusion or delusion, to explain the unexplainable, to demand proof of that which he refuses to see.... or hear ..... or know ....or acknowledge...... drives a man to madness, consumming him in the end.
Yes, I see the mercy of God in extending any life to each of his creation, man, who establishes and promotes a rebellion against his Creator. True.... God could strike His judgment quickly: But, considering the judgement of every man is already determined.... It is appointed unto man once to die and after this the judgment.... For by one man (Adam) sin entered in..... God says each person is already living with a death sentence and a judgment.... unless he takes in faith the sacrifice and substitution of Jesus. As long as Hawkins refuses God, he cannot be blessed by Him and is already under a curse more frightful than the suffering in life or the facing of death: Why should the devil take his servant who shows such devotion and carries the masses with him..... before God determines the time?
Too much thinking and "knowledge" involving the finite mind of man.... trying to decipher the possible from the impossible, the truth from a foundation in illusion or delusion, to explain the unexplainable, to demand proof of that which he refuses to see.... or hear ..... or know ....or acknowledge...... drives a man to madness, consumming him in the end.
Yes, I see the mercy of God in extending any life to each of his creation, man, who establishes and promotes a rebellion against his Creator. True.... God could strike His judgment quickly: But, considering the judgement of every man is already determined.... It is appointed unto man once to die and after this the judgment.... For by one man (Adam) sin entered in..... God says each person is already living with a death sentence and a judgment.... unless he takes in faith the sacrifice and substitution of Jesus. As long as Hawkins refuses God, he cannot be blessed by Him and is already under a curse more frightful than the suffering in life or the facing of death: Why should the devil take his servant who shows such devotion and carries the masses with him..... before God determines the time?
>>Originally Posted by billwald
Once God made his decree the ball kept rolling. Ever read Asimov's
"Foundation" series? You should. God is smarter than Harry Seldon.
>That is a deist position, and refuted by Scripture which makes plain that God is intimately involved in every aspect of the operation of this universe.
You say that God could NOT theoretically design an evolving universe? Just asking. <G>
Once God made his decree the ball kept rolling. Ever read Asimov's
"Foundation" series? You should. God is smarter than Harry Seldon.
>That is a deist position, and refuted by Scripture which makes plain that God is intimately involved in every aspect of the operation of this universe.
You say that God could NOT theoretically design an evolving universe? Just asking. <G>
glfredrick
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No, we are not dealing with the theoretical -- that is Hawking's (and other's) mistake. We are dealing with the universe that has been created and the God who has revealed Himself as the Creator. He COULD theoretically design an evolving universe, but He did not. He designed a universe where He is the director of all things.
Once one gets beyond the revelation of God in the Word, all sort of speculations can be theoretically possible, like the multi-verse hypothesis (multiple universes, where one was "just right" to allow for life to develop). But the problem is, we are bounded by the space/time of one universe and we will NEVER be able to penetrate the outer limits of that one universe to see if there are others. That makes the problem one of meta-physics not of science. In other words, it is a faith-based religious problem not one of empirical data, for there is none...
And, if we are turning to faith anyway, why not invoke Occam's razor and choose the most elegant and simple proposition; God created the universe and runs it just like He says.
ccrobinson
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Occam's Razor. Exactly.
You hit the nail on the head!
glfredrick
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If only Dr, Hawking could have the faith of his (now ex) wife Jane. I suspect that the background noise from their separation caused part of his hard heart condition, but we cannot discount the fact that God will draw those whom He alone chooses.
http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9404/bigbang.html
Henry F. Schaefer III states the following:
The divorce of Stephen and Jane was difficult -- He tossed her aside for his nurse after she had managed to keep him alive and functioning long past any amount of time that doctors speculated that he might live. One can only speculate that she may have pushed him on the ultimate question... We can at least hope and pray she did -- and that God grants Dr. Hawking time enough to repent and see His glory for what it is!
http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9404/bigbang.html
Henry F. Schaefer III states the following:
The divorce of Stephen and Jane was difficult -- He tossed her aside for his nurse after she had managed to keep him alive and functioning long past any amount of time that doctors speculated that he might live. One can only speculate that she may have pushed him on the ultimate question... We can at least hope and pray she did -- and that God grants Dr. Hawking time enough to repent and see His glory for what it is!
It's really funny watching people who think they are intelligent spend their time trying to deny the God of the universe. The created universe cries out that there is a God that made it all. Only a complete fool misses that. Of course, that's exactly what the bible called God-deniers.
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