You just answered your own question for the different threads on the same subject. We need to go by scripture and not what we think, or what man tells us, for we know man creates confusion. I would have gladly welcomed the blessing from Isaac. "Therefore God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine", Genesis 27:28. Can we find a Bible in which a Translator will dare change the Word of God, and call "Wine" grape juice?saturneptune said:I wonder how many threads on alcohol it takes for people to realize that no conclusion is ever reached, and no ones mind is changed. Maybe another 100? It is the same old tired arguments over and over. The wine was ferminted, no it wasnt, on and on.
It does not take a lot of common sense, life experience, and reading of the Scripture to realize there is nothing good from alcohol.
And from the "corn" for food they found a by-product, that being "Corn whiskey". Deuteronomy tells us God gave His OK for the people to drink both "wine that will make drunk, as well as strong drink that will make drunk. One cannot get drunk on grape juice. That doesn't mean if we wish to have a drink of either one that we have to get drunk. We don't for we know we are not to become drunkards. People can drink, or not drink, and it makes no difference to me if a Christian does or doesn't. It is their business, but those that see it as sin should not continue to try and justify by what ever means necessary, forcing them to judge the brothers and sisters that do drink.
Is what God furnishes bad or good? I see He furnishes good but some make it bad. We don't have to accept every "gift" God gives to us, and wine is a gift to man to make mans heart glad. At least that is what my Bible says.
I really doubt that is what Timothy told Paul. Until people believe His Word, the debate will go on.
For those who think they had made the technical case the Bible does not teach abstainence, maybe that is true, maybe not. What is it you are trying to prove by promoting your alcohol agenda? If you want to drink, then by all means drink. Maybe if you feel about it strongly enough, you can sing "99 bottles of beer on the wall" as your invitation song. Anyone who sees anything good in alcohol has got a screw loose, Biblically or otherwise.