Strong Drink (Deut. 14:26)

[EdSutton]

Hey! Nice picture, AresMan! And nice smiley, as well.

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

I'm typing this post when I'm completely

.

And I never had the first

I just smelled all the booze in the thread. That was sufficient to do the trick!

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

Gotta' admit. It's been at least two weeks since one of these threads, though.

Ed

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

If 'to abstain from wine' was not meant to be in those verse, the Greek would not have put it there.

Why not put 'to abstain from wine' in the other intances where the word 'sober' is found? Because they do not belong.

But they do belong in those 4 verses mentioned earlier in this thread.

It is too blind some are too blind to see that.

 

[webdog]

Hey, if all you theological geniuses feel lead to drink, then by all means drink.

I think the "theological geniuses" are the ones who have studied this topic from Scritpure without a denominational bend. I would suggest you do the same.

Not only is His Blood Spoke My Name correct

one can make an excellent case for abstaining without ever opening Scripture. Its called life experience and common sense.

These strawmen are almost worthless to respond to. One can make excellent arguments for not driving cars, not eating fatty foods, not running with scissors, etc without ever opening the Bible. No point made whatsoever...

I do have one question, is it best to drink in moderation before, during or after witnessing?

Whenever you get the opprotunity you should witness. Does this argument still stand in regards to drinking coffee? Eating food? Taking your meds?

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

from Inernational Standard Bible Encyclopedia:
In a few passages, the Greek verb nepho and its derivative adjective nephalios are used in the same sense. The word originally had a physical meaning, as opposed to drunkenness, and is thus used in 1Th 5:6,8, as the foundation of the deeper meaning. Used metaphorically also in the Pastoral Epistles and 1 Peter, as sometimes in the classics, for "cool," "unimpassioned." Ellicott, on 1Ti 3:2,11, distinguishes between the two words by regarding sophron "as pointing to the outward exhibition of the inward virtue" implied in nephalios.

 

[saturneptune]

I think the "theological geniuses" are the ones who have studied this topic from Scritpure without a denominational bend. I would suggest you do the same.



These strawmen are almost worthless to respond to. One can make excellent arguments for not driving cars, not eating fatty foods, not running with scissors, etc without ever opening the Bible. No point made whatsoever...

Whenever you get the opprotunity you should witness. Does this argument still stand in regards to drinking coffee? Eating food? Taking your meds?

Do you really want a competative theological contest?

These are not strawmen. The strawmen are comparing alcohol to drinking coffee, eating food, driving cars and taking meds (if one does). I assure you there is no denominational bent here. I grew up in a conservative presbyterian church and was brought up to believe in moderation. My opinions were molded by the Holy Spirit.

 

[webdog]

Do you really want a competative theological contest?

When it comes to this subject? You bet!

I grew up in a conservative presbyterian church and was brought up to believe in moderation. My opinions were molded by the Holy Spirit.

Kind of presumptious of you to claim your opinions were molded by the Holy Spirit and mine aren't. I was raised just the opposite: alcohol was the devil's juice! It wasn't until after reading Scirpture about alcohol without these presuppositions did I see that there is no way in the world alcohol is condemned. Do you know how many times alcohol is mentioned in Scripture?

 

[saturneptune]

When it comes to this subject? You bet!

Kind of presumptious of you to claim your opinions were molded by the Holy Spirit and mine aren't. I was raised just the opposite: alcohol was the devil's juice! It wasn't until after reading Scirpture about alcohol without these presuppositions did I see that there is no way in the world alcohol is condemned. Do you know how many times alcohol is mentioned in Scripture?

The answer is zero.

 

[webdog]

So people got drunk off of non alcoholic beverages?

 

[~JM~]

Does anyone know what the difference between a Baptist and a Presbyterian?






























A Presbyterian will say "hi" when you see them at the Beer Store.

:applause:

Ok, bad joke.

 

[webdog]

:laugh: :thumbs:

 

[Sober_Baptist]

+1 to the joke. It's also true.

 

[Alcott]

Does anyone know what the difference between a Baptist and a Presbyterian?

A Presbyterian will say "hi" when you see them at the Beer Store.

What will a Baptist say? "Low"?
Or do you mean it's just the Presbyterian who will violate the law by drinking what he bought there in the store?

 

[EdSutton]

What will a Baptist say? "Low"?
Or do you mean it's just the Presbyterian who will violate the law by drinking what he bought there in the store?

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

Does anyone know what the difference between a Baptist and a Presbyterian?

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A Presbyterian will say "hi" when you see them at the Beer Store.

:applause:

Ok, bad joke.

I agree wid' webdog! :laugh: :thumbs:

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

Folks, I don't care if you beat this thing to death once again, though the corpse is beginning to stink by this time.

However, do not engage in personal attacks against those whose study of the Scripture has led them to a different conclusion than you hold.

Are you saying this thread is much akin to Lazarus, when Jesus arrived at the tomb?

"Lord, by this time he stinketh ..." (from John 11:39, - KJV)

:laugh: :laugh:

Ed

 

[HankD]

This is a “modern” problem post-prohibition.

Men such as Spurgeon (for instance) used both alcohol and tobacco.

Spurgeon did become an abstainer from alcohol as a beverage later if his life but said it was not evil in and of itself.

IMO, the offense of alcoholic beverages to 21st century brethren is the singular scriptural reason for abstinence.

As for an obsession with sports: Sports in and of itself is not evil.

But, if one has an “obsession” with sports then there may be trouble brewing (pardon the pun).

Sports is a good release of energy and a vent of bottled up pressures especially in out stress driven work-a-day world.

But for the Christian, there should only be one “obsession”.

HankD

 

[ituttut]

Does anyone know what the difference between a Baptist and a Presbyterian?

A Presbyterian will say "hi" when you see them at the Beer Store.

So will the Methodist, Episcopal, Christian, Catholic, and Lutheran. Put them all together and they also believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation.

Looks as if most of Christendom realizes it is OK to drink, if they don't make it a habit to get drunk.

Let's say Hi Brother, next time we see them.

 

[Sober_Baptist]

So will the Methodist, Episcopal, Christian, Catholic, and Lutheran. Put them all together and they also believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation.

Looks as if most of Christendom realizes it is OK to drink, if they don't make it a habit to get drunk.

That's what it comes down to, exactly.
I'll drink to that!