Study of Systematic Theology

[Yeshua1]

I wouldn't agree with this, Vos is not a liberal in the classic sense but he like many other reformed have it seems more respect for liberals like Barth and Harnack than conservatives like Chafer. Still, you and I view the Bible as inerrant, many on the reformed side equate inerrancy as the same as fundamentalism in all its legalistic glory, brushing aside the actual fundamentals of the faith as outlined by Torrey.

I meant "liberal" in the sense of he would see the Bible as NOT being fully inerrant/infallible, as but as having artially word of God, would have been part of the higher critical thought common if that time!

Multiple sources genesis, various prophets etc, he would hold to history of the OT as pretty valid, but would not see it as a conservative one does!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I am not even going to attempt to engage you. You are so steeped in the cloak of fundamentalism that it would be a fools errand.

Well is that true Tom? Are you so entrenched in a specific group think that you cannot even venture an honest evaluation of your own agenda?

MorseOp might be right ....all I see out of you is contentious commentary. Hardly edifying!

 

[Yeshua1]

Well is that true Tom? Are you so entrenched in a specific group think that you cannot even venture an honest evaluation of your own agenda?

MorseOp might be right ....all I see out of you is contentious commentary. Hardly edifying!

Would like to know why is holding to a fully inerrant and infallible bible would be seen as being a bad thing on a baptist board?

 

[MorseOp]

Would like to know why is holding to a fully inerrant and infallible bible would be seen as being a bad thing on a baptist board?

It depends on what you mean by "fully inerrant and infallible bible." The Bible is without error in the original autographs. Translations of the original autographs have some textual variances. There are debates about the last chapter of Mark by many textual scholars. The important thing is that no biblical doctrine is contradicted by any textual variant or even a redaction error. The Bible is wholly trustworthy - infallible. The problem comes when some people dodge serious debate by saying, "I take the Bible literally." What does that mean? When Jesus says He is the bread of life, are we to take it to mean that he is actually a loaf of bread? When Jesus is referred to as the "Lion of the tribe of Judah", is He actually a four legged lion? Of course not! It is the meaning of the Bible, the truth expressed, that is literal.

Let me give you an example. Have you ever heard someone say, when speaking about prayer, "wherever two or three are gathered, He is there"? So many Christians take that passage literally and think that it pertains to Jesus being present when "two or three" are gathered. Does that mean He's not there when only one is gathered? How about four or more? And what if the passage has absolutely nothing to do with prayer? Lets take a look:

Matthew 18:15-20 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. 18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. 19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. 20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

This passage is not about prayer, it is about church discipline. Verses 19 & 20 have to do with agreeing in the matter of church discipline. But how many people take verse 20 out of context and think it has to do with Christians praying? Guess what? I used to believe that until a godly and patient man explained to me my error.

Just something to think about.