Submissiveness

[gb93433]

Originally posted by Gina L:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by gb93433:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by James Newman:
I'm probably not going to vote, because I don't think I want to take an hour off work to throw a penny into a wishing well.

So you don't care about what happens to America? If the atheist organizations had their way they would have all Christians banned.

If you don't like who is on the ballot you can write someone in. Wasn't it one of our past presidents that was a write in candidate? </font>[/QUOTE]It doesn't matter if you care. Unless you live in Ohio or one of the other swing states this year, your vote doesn't mean diddly.
Here, read how elections work.
Your VOTE means NOTHING
Gina </font>[/QUOTE]That's the way most Christians approach evangelism too. The average Christian never leads one person to Christ in an entire lifetime. So if we do nothing and be nothing we will hit it ever time--nothing.

But the election was one by just a few votes in Florida. Imagine if those people had the same attitude as you.

 

[Mark S]

Your vote does count just not in the way you think it does. Many people think that we are a democracy in which the popular vote tells who won the election. We are NOT a democracy, we are a constitutional Republic. We have an electoral college that by and large makes the election fair, cause if we did not have the electoral college The politicians would just goto the highly populated areas and would avoid the low populated areas which now are crucial to the elections of today. basically how the electoral college works is this, the votes in a particular state are counted, and whomever gets the most votes in that particular state gets all the electoral votes for that state.

 

[Terry_Herrington]

Originally posted by Jim1999:
I believe the Bible teaches mutual respect for one another and does not make a man the dominant member of the marriage union.

You don't believe the Bible then.

Eph 5:22-24
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
(KJV)

 

[pjlpel]

Scapper and Scrapper's Husband.... another interesting topic!

Maybe we need to look at a few simple definitions:

SUBMIT: 1) To yield or surrender (oneself) to the will or authority of another. 2)To subject to a condition or process. 3)To commit (something) to the consideration or judgment of another.

OBEY:1)To carry out or fulfill the command, order, or instruction of. 2)To carry out or comply with (a command, for example.

Since when does the word SUBMIT mean OBEY?

If a husband tells his wife to "bark like a dog" and she refuses, is she sinning?

 

[pjlpel]

Here's another idea.....

Doesn't the law give all Americans the "right" to vote? Aren't there laws that prohibit intimidation and supression of vote? Aren't there laws that also focus on voter access and the law for providing access?

Sooooooo, if the husband is denying his wife the ability to vote then isn't he breaking the law?

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by Terry_Herrington:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jim1999:
I believe the Bible teaches mutual respect for one another and does not make a man the dominant member of the marriage union.

You don't believe the Bible then.

Eph 5:22-24
22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
(KJV) </font>[/QUOTE]And you don't undersatnd what the Bible teaches about love and what Christ's headship is. And you forgot how Verse 21 reads? You forgot that it is a transitional phrase with out a verb that links the preceding passage to the following passage.

Eph. 5:21, "and be subject to one another in the fear of Christ."

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by pjlpel:

Sooooooo, if the husband is denying his wife the ability to vote then isn't he breaking the law?

He's a jerk!

 

[Timtoolman]

Originally posted by pjlpel:
Scapper and Scrapper's Husband.... another interesting topic!

Maybe we need to look at a few simple definitions:

SUBMIT: 1) To yield or surrender (oneself) to the will or authority of another. 2)To subject to a condition or process. 3)To commit (something) to the consideration or judgment of another.

OBEY:1)To carry out or fulfill the command, order, or instruction of. 2)To carry out or comply with (a command, for example.

Since when does the word SUBMIT mean OBEY?

If a husband tells his wife to "bark like a dog" and she refuses, is she sinning?

LOL, well your own def. tells me they should obey "as unto the Lord". Really hard to get around that! Also we can use all kinds of illustrations but we are dealing with voting. Where is the sin in not voting, yes there is civic responsiblity but not a law. Again we know we are to submitt to the line of authority God has ordered? I guess you would have to take out your anger on God. We are equel as Christ was to the father but yet He submitted to the will of the Father. Making a wife bark like a dog has other issues. Not voting if far from that. Again when you submit to God's word and His authority then those who are in authority are held reasponsible.

 

[Timtoolman]

Originally posted by pjlpel:
Here's another idea.....

Doesn't the law give all Americans the "right" to vote? Aren't there laws that prohibit intimidation and supression of vote? Aren't there laws that also focus on voter access and the law for providing access?

Sooooooo, if the husband is denying his wife the ability to vote then isn't he breaking the law?

Do we uttimately use all the rights of the government because they are there, abortioin, gambling, drinking. No those are freedoms and not laws. There is, again, no commandment from God or government that says you have to do these things. HOWEVER we KNOW that God has ordained the husband as the head of the household! I guess I would like those that disagree explain to me what that means. Where is the submission part. Is that excess language in the Bible or maybe interpted wrong?

Tim

 

[Jim1999]

Submission is not subjection. Labour disputes often arise when the "boss" pushes his/her authority. Labour disputes are most often resolved when the "boss" and the labourers work together to a common end. So it is in marriage. No one has taken away the husband's authority and responsibility to lead and give direction, but love governs, and when love is the prime factor, we can expect results.

God is sovereign and He can do as He pleases, yet He cannot go beyond His own attributes. He must perform within the confines of His nature.

Cheers,

Jim

"Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband." 1 Cor 7:3

 

[Terry_Herrington]

Originally posted by mioque:
"Before 1920 woman did'nt need to vote"
"
And it may be argued that afterwards it was part of the duty to the state that every citizen has (give unto Caesar what is his and all that).
This may seem to be be a bit of a stretch in the USA, but in Belgium for example voting is mandatory and any husband who prevents his wife from doing it can look forward to an 'interesting' conversation with the Rijkswacht.

Thank God I don't live in Belgium!

 

[Scrapper]

 

[Timtoolman]

Originally posted by Scrapper:

Originally posted by Jim1999:
[QB] Submission is not subjection. Cheers,

Jim

Okay now that is confusing to me. How can one submit without subjection? If the wife votes against her husband's wishes that is neither submission or obeying. I mean help me here. Again we have turn these verses into nothing. They should not even be in the bible unless someone can give what the purpose is. What does it mean to submit. What area are the wives to submit in? Someone answer that on the other side of the fence if not you Jim.

Tim

sorry forgot my wife was logged in.

 

[Gina B]

Originally posted by gb93433:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Gina L:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by gb93433:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by James Newman:
I'm probably not going to vote, because I don't think I want to take an hour off work to throw a penny into a wishing well.

So you don't care about what happens to America? If the atheist organizations had their way they would have all Christians banned.

If you don't like who is on the ballot you can write someone in. Wasn't it one of our past presidents that was a write in candidate? </font>[/QUOTE]It doesn't matter if you care. Unless you live in Ohio or one of the other swing states this year, your vote doesn't mean diddly.
Here, read how elections work.
Your VOTE means NOTHING
Gina </font>[/QUOTE]That's the way most Christians approach evangelism too. The average Christian never leads one person to Christ in an entire lifetime. So if we do nothing and be nothing we will hit it ever time--nothing.

But the election was one by just a few votes in Florida. Imagine if those people had the same attitude as you. </font>[/QUOTE]Politicians and government are hopeless. We no longer live in a God fearing nation. My goodness, our Christian president announced to the world in his debate that his faith doesn't interfere with his political decisions. And your choice for anyone capable of winning is between him and the guy who wants abortions and homosexual marriage. Yet everyone's in a tizzy over the high moral standards of the president who doesn't let faith interfere with his decision. Wake up America!

Christ is not hopeless. Christianity is not hopeless. That's why we're DIFFERENT from the world, we hold out hope in the name of Christ, not Kerry or Bush. If you want to truly make a difference go to the polls and witness. I'll look for your name in the news as the guy who got arrested for harassing the voters and bringing religion into a government setting.

Gina

 

[Terry_Herrington]

Originally posted by SaggyWoman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Terry_Herrington:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SaggyWoman:
How can a husband tell his wife not to vote? What is that?

It is called being the head of the house. </font>[/QUOTE]That is called being a control freak.

And I mean FREAK. </font>[/QUOTE]It's easy to see why you aren't married.

 

[mioque]

Terry_Herrington
On thanking God for not living in Belgium.
Haven't you noticed! You're living in Texas!!
Trust me on this one, while you have to subsist on rattlesnakecactuschili (watch out for them needles while chewing) washing it down with beer that looks and tastes like carbonated horse's urine, folks in Belgium dine on clams with fries and mayonaise drinking the finest beers in the universe (in Heaven there's no beer, that's why we drink it here!).

ps. You were not very polite to Saggy. Shame on you.

 

[Rooster]

Originally posted by Terry_Herrington:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SaggyWoman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Terry_Herrington:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by SaggyWoman:
How can a husband tell his wife not to vote? What is that?

It is called being the head of the house. </font>[/QUOTE]That is called being a control freak.

And I mean FREAK. </font>[/QUOTE]It's easy to see why you aren't married. </font>[/QUOTE]Terry as much as we agree on the opinion of the matter...and this goes for every one...please refrian from personal attacks, if anyone feels the urge to attack someone, I have found it best to leave the computer for a ehile till you can come up with a civilized response, those who know me, know how much of an attacker that I can be, in the past I am probable the worst of all, but I have resently found it better to give a soft answer to someone eho offends, instead of attack, we are not here to fight, and or win a war, we are here to expand our knowlage, and practice giving an answer to certain issues in a Christians walk.

P.S. Mique it wasn't fair to refer to terry as some kind of red neck either, lets all try to get along, for the sake of our LOrd Jesus Christ, Amen?

 

[gb93433]

Originally posted by Terry_Herrington:
It's easy to see why you aren't married.

When one cannot win an argument or debate they often resort to personal atatcks.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a married person to knows what scripture teaches. Just take a look at Ephesians 5:21 and interpet it correctly in the context of the previous passage and the one that follows.

 

[mioque]

Rooster
"Mique it wasn't fair to refer to terry as some kind of red neck either"
"
I wasn't, I was defending the honour of Belgium in general and Belgian cuisine in particular.


...well okay I was.

I wanted to say something about Terry's remark towards Saggywoman, came to the conclusion that I, being one of the girls and having claimed something similar to Terry's remark about myself was the last person to be listened to on this subject.
So I raked him over the hot coals for being a redneck instead. That was a lot easier 'cause let's face it, anybody who thanks God he doesn't live in Belgium is one.

 

[Terry_Herrington]

Originally posted by mioque:
Terry_Herrington
On thanking God for not living in Belgium.
Haven't you noticed! You're living in Texas!!
Trust me on this one, while you have to subsist on rattlesnakecactuschili (watch out for them needles while chewing) washing it down with beer that looks and tastes like carbonated horse's urine, folks in Belgium dine on clams with fries and mayonaise drinking the finest beers in the universe (in Heaven there's no beer, that's why we drink it here!).

ps. You were not very polite to Saggy. Shame on you.

Because I am a Christian, I don't drink beer. You are free to stay in Socialist Belgium, I will happily stay in Texas, God's country!