Successful Evangelism

[Revmitchell]

I am all for evangelism. I simply question why a Calvinist would see a need to evangelize.

I think the bigger question is if they see the gospel as God's means of drawing then does that mean everyone who hears the gospel will get saved. If I remember correctly (and I do) they hold to the idea that everyone God draws will be saved.

*Note-I fully believe that God does the drawing with the gospel.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I am all for evangelism. I simply question why a Calvinist would see a need to evangelize.

Because God chose the foolishness of preaching to save those who believe.[1 Corinthians 1:21]

Because those who believe the gospel of their salvation are saved.[Ephesians 1:13]

Because faith comes from hearing the message concerning the Christ.[Romans 10:17]

Because we are commanded to preach the gospel to all ppl.[Mark 16:15]

We evangelize because God has commanded us to do so, seeing it is how the elect of God are saved.

No evangelization = no salvation.

 

[TCassidy]

I am all for evangelism. I simply question why a Calvinist would see a need to evangelize.

What part of "God commands it" don't you understand?

 

[TCassidy]

If I remember correctly (and I do) they hold to the idea that everyone God draws will be saved.

Wrong again. When Christ is lifted up He will draw all men unto himself. That is the universal call of the Gospel.

But only those who will be believers are drawn by the Father to the Son Who will then raise them up on the last day.

 

[TCassidy]

Why don't you answer this question?

I have. Several times.

 

[Rippon]

Please post a quote from me indicating any such opinion regarding Calvin.

In the post of mine that you replied to I quoted you saying "he was wrong in so much."

He believed in infant baptism. I don't. Is that what you mean by making the accusation that I don't like to admit?

Obviously not. Don't be silly.

How about the place of magistrates? Is that another place you accuse me of not liking to admit?

Just what is your complaint about Calvin's view as to the authority of the magistrate? He followed Romans 13. Got a problem with that?

And where have I ever criticized the WCF or that I am not wiling to admit when it is right?

It's a Presbyterian document. Within it there are some features that you I would object to. But, just like John Calvin and his works --I would agree with much of it. I would not say it was wrong in so much.

Why the personal attacks?

Nothing personal. I am just addressing your errors about the man.

You have made remarks elsewhere that show some uninformed views about him. Your opinion about The Institutes Of The Christian Religion -- your misunderstanding about not caring about the spiritual welfare of other nations just France. Things like that.

Nothing truthful and honest to offer?

You have the habit of saying that kind of thing so often it's become second nature to you --old nature. Knock it off.

 

[TCassidy]

In the post of mine that you replied to I quoted you saying "he was wrong in so much."

He was.

Obviously not.

Then what am I refusing to admit?

I am just addressing your errors about the man.

Really?

old nature. Knock it off.

I suggest you take your own advice. "Old nature" is a personal attack on my spiritual standing before God.

 

[Rippon]

Then what am I refusing to admit?

That you are caught in a contradiction. You say that Calvin was "wrong in so much" yet the WCF reflects much of what Calvin taught. Be consistent. If you think he was wrong on so much then the WCF was wrong on so much.

Was Hodge wrong on so much? How about Warfield and Machen?

The word much means a lot. It's hard to quantify the word. There is no fixed percentage. But from what you have said it clearly means a considerable amount.

I am largely in agreement with more OPC doctrine than that promoted by most Baptists --including much of the SBC.

Really?

Yes, really. You are misinformed on Calvin and you seem to harbor an animus toward him.

I suggest you take your own advice. "Old nature" is a personal attack on my spiritual standing before God.

Nothing truthful and honest to offer?

 

[TCassidy]

That you are caught in a contradiction. You say that Calvin was "wrong in so much" yet the WCF reflects much of what Calvin taught. Be consistent. If you think he was wrong on so much then the WCF was wrong on so much.

And your point is?

Was Hodge wrong on so much? How about Warfield and Machen?

Yes.

The word much means a lot.

I know what "much" means. I have spoken English for around 70 years.

I am largely in agreement with more OPC doctrine than that promoted by most Baptists --including much of the SBC.

I suspect this will come as a terrible shock to you, but I don't care.

You are misinformed on Calvin and you seem to harbor an animus toward him.

Actually, I never met the man. I am old but not quite that old.

Nothing truthful and honest to offer?

Apparently not. Just more drivel.

 

[Rippon]

And your point is?

What I clearly stated --you are caught in a contradiction. In other words, you are wrong.

Actually, I never met the man. I am old but not quite that old.

I guess in your world that might pass for humor.

Apparently not. Just more drivel.

Yes, that's what you offer --nothing of substance.
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But getting back to the theme of this thread I will submit that John Calvin was greatly used of the Lord as an
Evangelist.

 

[Lukasaurus]

What happened to Evan? Hope he is okay.